Tab 1

[00:00:05] [Music]
[00:00:21] [Music]
[00:00:28] so [Music]
[00:00:53] [Music] oh
[00:01:03] [Music]
[00:01:13] [Music]
[00:02:20] so
[00:02:26] [Music]
[00:02:48] me
[00:02:59] [Music] 21 july
[00:03:06] 20. now is the time for change
[00:03:12] i bet you're happy now in there yeah does that make you feel
[00:03:19] huh little tasks you have been
[00:03:25] putting off can now be that make her happy is that what you
[00:03:32] want all the little
[00:03:37] tasks you have been putting off can now be
[00:03:44] moved to the front
[00:03:53] [Music]
[00:03:58] burner [Music]
[00:04:12] hmm [Music]
[00:04:27] [Music]
[00:04:40] yes
[00:04:47] you promised me remember
[00:04:55] if she lived past the age of 12 we could get her some help
[00:05:10] [Music]
[00:05:16] [Music]
[00:05:24] [Music]
[00:05:41] god damn it what did you do that for
[00:05:50] she's gonna kill me you know that right i'm as good as dead you just have to tell him
you don't know where we're at
[00:05:56] you woke up when we were both gone oh yeah i know you're supposed to have
gotten away huh you can't even do anything for yourself
[00:06:01] i don't know you've had to think of an excuse what are you gonna live on
[00:06:35] department of welfare uh i'm going to have to call you back is this where you handle
the blind oh no
[00:06:43] ma'am this is social services now if you just go around back could you lead me there
then i
[00:06:49] i've got cataracts and the woman told me on the telephone i could come down here
and get some benefits
[00:06:55] who's that with you uh that's katie my daughter
[00:07:01] how old are you katie she'll be 14 in
[00:07:07] [Music]
[00:07:14] april the parents of a 13 year old girl are
[00:07:20] free on bail tonight facing charges in what authorities are calling the worst case of
child abuse
[00:07:26] they've ever seen the girl currently being treated for malnutrition at children's hospital
was apparently
[00:07:32] held captive by her parents from the age of 1 to 13. earlier reports indicate the child
never even learned to
[00:07:38] speak leading some to tag her a so-called wild child
[00:07:51] [Music]
[00:08:02] is an innocent victim of her domineering husband that's the only comment we have to
make at this time thank you but what
[00:08:07] happened with the little girl you know what happened thank you
[00:08:26] well where's the house where the people tied that little girl to the toilet
[00:08:42] [Music]
[00:09:13] all rise
[00:09:25] be seated
[00:09:39] [Music]
[00:09:55] stake versus stand on you're charged with willful gross neglect of a minor placed in
your custody how do you plead
[00:10:09] louise i plead not guilty i'm sorry
[00:10:18] [Music]
[00:10:58] 118 [Music]
[00:11:07] a visitor in the mainland
[00:11:15] [Music]
[00:11:23] she's beautiful and i was expecting i just i don't know what i was expecting
[00:11:30] stan claims he's heard her use a few words for colors and uh mama and stop it i've
heard her
[00:11:36] use those myself we gather she learned them before she was locked away but so far
[00:11:42] she doesn't seem to have picked up any new ones well she's she's almost 14 right so
so the critical period has
[00:11:48] passed i beg your pardon leniberg's hypothesis if a child doesn't acquire a language
by
[00:11:55] the time it reaches puberty it never will
[00:12:00] well she hasn't officially crossed that line yet so even if this theory is correct then she
[00:12:06] still has a little time now listen i don't want you to just dive in there and start testing
[00:12:12] i want you to spend these next few weeks getting to know her build up her confidence
and trust unless of course uh
[00:12:20] if you'd like to back out right now you like the hair katie what color is
[00:12:26] that katie you know do you know the color do you know what color that is
[00:12:32] huh that's red your hair is brown mine's gray katie do you remember me
[00:12:40] i'm dr glazer i brought a friend of mine with me today her name is sandra
[00:12:47] [Music] sandra
[00:12:53] [Music]
[00:13:43] so did you meet the famous wild child [Music]
[00:14:00] and [Music]
[00:14:10] [Applause] so
[00:14:17] katie rise and shine [Music]
[00:14:23] you remember miss tandon don't you morning katie
[00:14:30] katie i want to show you something okay
[00:14:40] you think you can do that here
[00:15:10] [Music]
[00:15:30] okay here watch me okay all right
[00:15:38] see [Music] apparently she was never given enough
[00:15:44] time to chew her food so she waits for it to break down in her mouth
[00:15:52] how are you doing sugar pie got a present for you how did you know she wanted that
she
[00:15:59] told me she did well she didn't use no words but she told me just the same
[00:16:16] and how many balloons do you have
[00:16:22] about you wesley how many balloons do you have three [Music] i think you might
want to take another
[00:16:28] look at those balloons is it three or is it actually two
[00:16:38] well thanks to katie it's now definitely three
[00:16:47] very good good
[00:17:07] [Music]
[00:17:16] judy hi we were never formally introduced i'm uh
[00:17:22] sandra tannen i know who you are ah you know it's so funny this hospital
[00:17:29] has gone to such lengths to secure a grant and with the money that they've gotten
they could probably bring in noam chomsky
[00:17:36] himself instead they run across town to ucla and find some first year graduate
student
[00:17:44] well that's exactly what they wanted i i don't have any time constraints or family
obligations
[00:17:49] no experience do you actually think you're qualified to teach this child how
[00:17:54] to talk i'm not here to teach her how to talk i'm here to document the way she goes
about acquiring language
[00:18:00] there's a huge difference well you're certainly going to have a lot to document
[00:18:07] this girl this girl is going to make me famous i'm going to be the next annie sullivan
[00:18:14] [Music] [Applause] [Music]
[00:18:20] [Applause] she really said that crossed my heart and hoped to die
[00:18:26] and he still was the one who taught helen keller right that's the one i mean all right
she's a very talented
[00:18:32] teacher i agree i've seen her in action but i mean to state her ambitions in in such
[00:18:38] overt terms look i i know judy's a little eccentric but like you say she's very good at
what
[00:18:43] she does and she's essentially well-meaning i hope you're right
[00:18:56] you like some more coffee mr sander i don't know if i would
[00:19:04] okay did i tell you your brother moved away
[00:19:11] i don't know saying nowhere exactly [Music] don't know as he told me could i speak
[00:19:17] to you for a second i'm sure uh please excuse us for a minute thank you
[00:19:28] so uh so i'm assuming because nobody told me she was going to be here today that
he said
[00:19:33] it's not a very good idea to ask her any questions huh well i think that's probably a
wise assessment
[00:19:40] i hope you can appreciate my sense of frustration i mean we know so little about
katie's past
[00:19:46] this woman is in a position to tell us so much the last time she talked she wound up in
[00:19:51] jail don't forget the court has decided that she's a victim too
[00:19:58] i thought you want to know why i mean i'm not even talking as a scientist here i'm
talking as a
[00:20:03] human being i want to know i want to know how another human being was subjected
to this kind of torture
[00:20:09] well you just have to be patient eventually there'll be some answers there's been a
suggestion that the
[00:20:14] hospital donated services to remove her cataracts kind of a goodwill gesture that's
right
[00:20:22] i still think it's vital that katie continue to see her mother she's the only link to the past
as that child has got
[00:20:34] doesn't it feel great to get out of the hospital for a while
[00:20:40] [Music] oh my god
[00:20:48] [Music]
[00:20:54] she's masturbating
[00:21:07] [Music]
[00:21:14] wow nice now i got it [Applause]
[00:21:23] what do you got there katie oh green yes that's green this is green
[00:21:29] these are peas [Music]
[00:21:34] that's right peas and that is corn
[00:21:44] [Applause]
[00:21:56] um [Music]
[00:22:10] bothered
[00:22:17] [Music]
[00:22:24] do [Music]
[00:22:39] [Music]
[00:23:06] so then we were at the toy store and katie
[00:23:13] was looking at these beach pails you know she just loves anything plastic right so
[00:23:19] finally stan and i decided we're going to buy her one and the cashier says to us are
you sure she wants another one
[00:23:24] we said well what do you mean and she says well that woman who just left just
bought her one
[00:23:30] wow but that's not what's really interesting what's really interesting is that is that stan
and i were with her the
[00:23:36] whole time and she never said one word to that woman or to anyone else did you
pick the phone bill by the way i
[00:23:41] mean i guess it's not that surprising she's she's been cut off from language
[00:23:46] so so naturally she's developed this this whole other way of communicating but but it
is so fascinating it's so
[00:23:53] fascinating to see the effect she has on people
[00:24:02] right what are these
[00:24:08] it's great and you have eyes right where are your
[00:24:16] eyes no those are miss bingham's eyes where are your eyes
[00:24:25] look at that it's just like she's blind
[00:24:30] i mean even the way she walks is a blindism too it's like she's testing out the ground
[00:24:36] underneath her feet because she doesn't even trust her eyes
[00:25:01] [Music]
[00:25:12] now antarctica that's a gold mine for studying the effects of social isolation
[00:25:17] spent three whole summers there in fact even got a mountain named after me
[00:25:22] i think she's waking up [Music] look at her she's scared to death can i
[00:25:29] just go in don't worry she'll be back to sleep in no time now when you isolate
somebody you start
[00:25:37] to see the effects in as little as 15 minutes i imagine with what this little girl has been
through
[00:25:43] we're going to find some pretty severe abnormalities [Applause] and where do you
think you're going i'm
[00:25:48] just going to go and say hello just she knows i'm close by sandra pepsi generation for
you
[00:25:59] hi katie hi no no no no no you can't do that i don't
[00:26:05] know i know it's so uncomfortable oh no
[00:26:11] no sweetie sweetie lie down no no it's okay it's okay how about i sing your song huh
how about i sing you a song
[00:26:17] hush little baby don't say a word come on mama's gonna gonna buy you a
[00:26:23] mockingbird and if that mockingbird don't sing mama's gonna buy you a diamond ring
[00:26:30] this could if that diamond ring though
[00:26:36] huh [Music]
[00:26:46] something mama's gonna buy you a dum dum dum thing he's
[00:26:52] [Music] this is very interesting you see these
[00:26:58] spindles here you see how they're all bunched up together like that that's generally a
[00:27:03] sign of retardation from birth mommy's gonna buy you a mockingbird
[00:27:13] so she said sandra silly huh that's what she said amazing it's the first time she's
called me by name or put two words together
[00:27:20] for that matter come here katie well we all know there's been some progress but that
that doesn't necessarily mean that
[00:27:26] lacy's wrong doesn't mean he's right either it's just one study lacie admitted himself
you find those
[00:27:32] exact same sleep spindles and infant boys have just been circumcised you know
don't forget katie started
[00:27:37] speaking at 16 months which is not the case with with [ __ ] children katie hey katie
[00:27:43] come here look look i'm not trying to be biased i mean i'm prepared to follow the facts
wherever they might
[00:28:00] lead
[00:28:12] please call off your dog
[00:28:29] like pack yes i know you like pails pale yes i know
[00:28:36] like [ __ ] yes and you like you like buckets too i know but why is this one a pail and
this one
[00:28:43] a bucket they look the same to me well making more of our little research notes i see
[00:28:53] katie how would you like to spend the night at my house tonight i beg your pardon dr
glazer said it was
[00:28:58] fine this child is not simply some tool of science you know it's about time
[00:29:04] she spent some time at a normal home a norm judy do i need to remind you of
certain comments you've made
[00:29:14] and miss bingham likes katie too miss bingham likes katie more than anybody in the
whole world
[00:29:38] hello well she's still asleep
[00:29:44] sure i can give her a message
[00:29:49] but you're kidding me how is it rob
[00:29:55] katie's been quarantined over at judy bingham's house
[00:30:00] [Applause] judy's contracted rubella katie's been
[00:30:06] staying over at her house so she's been exposed too now obviously there is no way
we can risk infecting the rest of the children
[00:30:12] at the hospital i don't believe it i don't believe this well i saw her with my own two eyes
and
[00:30:18] she's definitely got something yeah she's got something all right she's got katie all
right let's just relax okay
[00:30:26] it's going to be business as usual only for the next few weeks it'll all take place at
judy's house
[00:30:36] [Music]
[00:30:48] so
[00:30:54] hi katie could you open the door for me the door could you go around and open
[00:31:00] the door for me yes the the door
[00:31:08] no sweetie hi yeah could you open the door open the door
[00:31:15] sweetie please just open the door for me
[00:31:21] i'm sorry i was indisposed come in
[00:31:28] oh yes sandra certainly did wait so how you feeling judy much better
[00:31:35] thanks guys boy katie you are certainly learning a lot of new
[00:31:40] words but store is her favorite every building she sees she stops and points and says
store
[00:31:49] if it's all right with miss tan and it's all right with me now let's go
[00:32:03] [Music]
[00:32:19] you can watch tv for a few more minutes and then it's time to sleep
[00:32:24] i can't get over how well she's doing you've really got a gift judy well i guess i can
empathize
[00:32:32] i was a very sickly child myself and i always wanted kids of my own but
[00:32:37] i guess it was just not meant to be anyway i suppose you've noticed that
[00:32:44] katie is fond of uh touching herself haven't you yeah of
[00:32:50] course she's even done it in public a few times and you've tried to stop her yeah of
course i have but uh well you
[00:32:56] know katie she's got a mind of her own yes but children are sponges and they do
what
[00:33:01] they're taught to do well not always you know i mean linguistically speaking the the
seeds of
[00:33:08] language are there from birth the only way for a child not to develop language is to
well
[00:33:13] well to do what katie's parents did just isolate her completely
[00:33:18] and you think the sexual instinct works the same way well it's not really my field of
[00:33:24] expertise but even even infants masturbate right
[00:33:30] you want sugar
[00:33:38] [Music] judy bingham has accused me of molesting katie yeah i went over there
yesterday you
[00:33:44] know just to check things out and uh judy told me that i could take katie out for a walk
[00:33:51] so um we'll get back to the house katie's here's a little must you know from the wind
[00:33:58] judy looks right at him she's out of her mind she's completely out of her mind i i can't
describe i can't tell you how i felt i mean i
[00:34:05] charged like that you know i mean if it goes public i'm the last person in the world well
who would believe her
[00:34:11] i mean you you practically saved katie everyone in this hospital knows that oh you
treated her like she was your own oh
[00:34:17] it doesn't matter it doesn't matter if i win a suit for for slander the charges would still
stick
[00:34:22] i mean people would always wonder i really care about that little girl
[00:34:28] but you know i don't think i have any choice except to quit the team
[00:34:34] katie the door the door you know dorm oh katie please but not again i'll be
[00:34:40] right back katie [Music] what's going on i don't think it's a
[00:34:47] very good idea for you to see katie today your visits are tiring her
[00:34:53] since when since when do you decide who she sees and doesn't see you're not her
guardian well it's a matter of fact i've applied
[00:34:59] to become just that and until social services make their decision she's to remain in
my custody
[00:35:06] judy judy don't you realize what you're doing you're cutting her off from the rest of the
world it's like she is right back in the house she grew up in
[00:35:12] [Music] oh first stan york and then me who's gonna be next huh
[00:35:18] are you gonna go on holding her hostage for the rest of her
[00:35:29] how life this one no okay
[00:35:37] do you know what that is
[00:35:42] okay
[00:35:48] [Music] yes yes that's it i didn't even know you knew what a log
[00:35:54] was it's okay how about this one am i deserving anything
[00:36:02] no not at all i was just reviewing the same work i was doing over a month ago it's uh
pretty much all i can do at this
[00:36:08] point you know um beverly and i have been talking about this whole situation and
[00:36:14] uh well we've pretty much decided
[00:36:20] to apply as katie's foster parents
[00:36:25] that that's the best news i've heard in weeks it's it's not a firm decision yet i mean
katie is you know obviously she's a handful and
[00:36:32] uh we do have three children of our own of course of course of course sorry in my
especially my zeal i hadn't even
[00:36:38] given that any consideration and then i've i've already taken over as katie's therapist i
mean beverly with her background in
[00:36:45] child development uh will be a lot of help in that department but i'm also a researcher
on the case so
[00:36:50] to try to balance all of that is uh yeah i see i see i see your dilemma
[00:36:57] but i i think it can be done so if um katie's social workers give us the
[00:37:02] go-ahead then we're uh we want to give it a shot
[00:37:15] [Music]
[00:37:27] you forgot one
[00:37:32] [Music] i love you [Music]
[00:37:43] i don't know what to say not now you don't but believe me this is
[00:37:48] not over yet you are depriving this child of the best home she's ever had or ever will
have
[00:37:54] and i'm gonna make sure you all pay if it's the last thing i ever do
[00:38:11] [Music]
[00:38:23] [Applause] every morning
[00:38:44] [Music]
[00:38:50] [Music]
[00:38:55] [Applause] [Music]
[00:39:03] [Applause] [Music]
[00:39:09] [Applause]
[00:39:17] [Music] [Applause] [Music]
[00:39:26] oh
[00:39:55] [Applause] kitty watch me watch okay watch this
[00:40:02] oh i am so mad boy i'm so mad i could just you see i'm so mad that
[00:40:10] i could just throw a complete tantrum just like fish just complete them you see me so
mad and
[00:40:16] so mad i'm so mad higher good now say i am mad katie think i'm mad
[00:40:24] getting mad good now jump up and down i know this is helping katie but you may
[00:40:30] live to regret this one day harder jump up on town good now say i am very very angry
i am
[00:40:43] you might be right car has mirror
[00:40:57] the car has a mirror katie did you take my hairbrush
[00:41:04] i can't this wait till later well i'm sorry but she's been appropriating too many of my
things and frankly
[00:41:10] my patience is running a little thin
[00:41:21] so what should we do now why sandra play piano
[00:41:28] oh it's concert time is it all right all right what do you want to hear me
[00:41:35] play i am trying really hard i really am
[00:41:43] but sometimes i don't think you guys realize that i have problems too
[00:41:48] really oh come on of course we do
[00:42:02] [Music]
[00:42:10] [Applause] oh we have a request
[00:42:17] for chopin okay let me find something i know
[00:42:28] okay [Music]
[00:42:42] so [Music]
[00:43:06] [Music] [Applause]
[00:43:13] [Music]
[00:43:45] [Music]
[00:43:52] yes so i uh i believe this is the first time
[00:44:00] you've ever actually seen me in person isn't it you're a lot shorter than i thought
[00:44:06] you'd be it's so nice to finally meet you mrs stanford
[00:44:11] louise [Music]
[00:44:19] katie mama's here so uh would you like something to drink i don't know that i would
thank you well
[00:44:26] lunch is almost ready i made something special i hope you like it she is here's katie
[00:44:37] [Music]
[00:44:45] happy katie happy mama c
[00:44:50] [Music] what have you done to her to make her
[00:44:57] walk so peculiar
[00:45:06] [Music]
[00:45:15] so um i hear from oklahoma i used to be you ever seen a tornado once
[00:45:24] i actually did a paper for school on tornadoes and i found something kind of
interesting
[00:45:30] they've actually hit los angeles a couple of times i don't believe that what i mean think
[00:45:36] about it you got warm air coming up from baja and cold air coming down from the
sierra nevadas
[00:45:41] it's always the interaction of those two fronts that causes the tornado jonathan's got
the family aptitude for
[00:45:48] science i beg your pardon katie
[00:45:54] what are you supposed to do before you reach for something at the table you're
supposed to ask right now say
[00:46:02] may i have the applesauce please come on katie come on you can do that
[00:46:09] don't torture the child if she doesn't want to say anything she doesn't have to
[00:46:15] [Music]
[00:46:23] [Applause]
[00:46:30] [Music]
[00:46:48] i mean you could have at least acknowledged the operation i mean it's not like we
[00:46:54] arranged it as some form of blackmail i don't know well i think she must be
overwhelmed
[00:47:01] i mean personally i don't know how well i would take it if i arrived at a complete
stranger's
[00:47:07] house and then i saw this complete stranger acting as a surrogate mother to my child
[00:47:13] hmm well i guess you must feel pretty [Music]
[00:47:22] powerless
[00:47:37] good morning katie get up it's time for breakfast
[00:47:54] [Music]
[00:48:08] well it's finally happened what's finally happened what we've been waiting for
[00:48:23] hi katie
[00:48:32] hi i know beverly already tried to explain this to you but but you really don't have
anything to be
[00:48:38] afraid of what happened to you happens to every
[00:48:44] woman that happens to me it happens to beverly
[00:48:49] just means you're becoming a big girl that's what it means
[00:48:56] i think she'll be all right god she's just finished toilet training she's already
menstruating
[00:49:02] well look there is a silver lining to all this the critical period's over anything
[00:49:08] katie learns from now on is over the line so i guess we're going to finally find out if the
[00:49:15] leneberg theory is correct it's not a theory it's a hypothesis katie's going to prove
[00:49:21] it wrong you just watch
[00:49:31] i have an announcement we have a new student who's going to be joining us today
[00:49:38] now she's a little bit older than the rest of us than the rest of you but she's never
[00:49:44] been to school before so i want you all to be especially nice to her do i make myself
clear
[00:49:55] class this is katie and what do we say to katy
[00:50:02] [Music] all right dear you can sit down wherever you like sit here
[00:50:16] [Music]
[00:50:31] this is kurt now he's already been told where to drop
[00:50:36] me off so don't worry okay
[00:50:47] [Music]
[00:50:54] [Music]
[00:51:06] is
[00:51:15] how it should be
[00:51:28] [Music]
[00:51:35] he must have taken two whole minutes when we finally got her loose the bus driver
take it i mean he was
[00:51:40] great he was great he was really really nice guy did i mention he's gorgeous several
[00:51:46] times oh god i told katie if i were unattached
[00:51:51] i go for him in a heartbeat well you're not i'm sorry
[00:51:58] oh god you know i'm with katie so much and ah she could be such a tease
[00:52:04] she's got this really playful side that oh well you'll see one day she's got
[00:52:09] this amazing capacity to sort of sort of catch you up in whatever mood she's in it's
magical yep she's just magic all the way
[00:52:17] around hey is something wrong it's just ever
[00:52:24] since you started working with katie i've heard so much about her i mean that's pretty
much all you talk about
[00:52:29] so i'm boring now oh but you know you keep you keep building her up you keep
saying
[00:52:35] i'm gonna meet her one day so i'm just i really don't want to be disappointed
[00:52:40] you know i mean nobody can be that great fine bye
[00:52:48] from now on my lips are sealed [Music]
[00:52:58] where is may i have 10 cents
[00:53:04] and does that sound like a question katie a question okay i want you to just try again
this
[00:53:10] time i want you to try very hard i am so sorry i was at the hospital
[00:53:19] norman this is uh this is eleanor sorry i don't remember uh how do you do and this is
dr richard
[00:53:24] tennyson hello we're from the national national institute of mental health yes uh
beverly called me and told me you were
[00:53:30] you know actually pardon me i assumed uh that we're gonna be seeing each other at
my office so this
[00:53:35] is the place where most of the work takes place yes yes katie
[00:53:42] katie you know better than that beverly doesn't like it when you spit on the floor toyco
calm mine
[00:53:49] uh the coal mine is in the basement you see sometimes we appropriate some of
katie's toys as a
[00:53:56] kind of a disciplinary um look why don't i just show you around hmm
[00:54:17] the spoon goes here katie
[00:54:26] i showed them all the videotape i've shot for almost an hour they sit there looking at it
and then all they can say is
[00:54:31] so where is your research well i just showed them my damn research and they start
in about how it's not all
[00:54:36] perfectly catalogued well that's what they're paying for isn't it well of course it is but
you
[00:54:42] know what it's not fair for them to just drop by and expect everything to be just perfect
we need you in here here we go again
[00:54:52] norm you don't think we're in any danger of losing the grant do you of course not they
know how
[00:54:58] important this is i just just need to clarify my part of the
[00:55:04] research
[00:55:11] good morning
[00:55:32] bye
[00:55:50] [Music]
[00:56:00] loves [Music]
[00:56:07] [Applause]
[00:56:14] oh katie why did you do that
[00:56:20] very very angry
[00:56:32] [Music]
[00:56:42] me
[00:57:00] [Music] [Applause]
[00:57:07] [Music]
[00:57:21] kitty what's wrong i'm not gonna hurt
[00:57:26] you you know that [Music]
[00:57:34] tell me what's bothering you [Music] go and put it into words
[00:57:42] [Music]
[00:58:13] i never did get out to the beach much west would never take me
[00:58:23] he was a cool man [Music] katie said something the other day she
[00:58:30] said and these are her exact words father hit big stick do you have any
[00:58:37] idea what that might mean
[00:58:43] well wes he didn't like noise that's why he didn't want children and
[00:58:49] katie well sometimes
[00:58:55] she'd make noise unless he kept a
[00:59:01] a big stick in the corner of her room for when she acted up so how often did he beat
her not all
[00:59:08] that much he had a few other ways of keeping her
[00:59:13] quiet like he'd growl
[00:59:19] what he'd growl
[00:59:25] like a dog that kept her quiet i imagined so
[00:59:32] otherwise he wouldn't have kept on doing it
[00:59:39] those people katie lives with the glazers they don't care for me much do they i
[00:59:46] wouldn't say that then why won't they let me see katie at their house
[00:59:52] why do you have to drive katie all the way out here just so i can spend some time
with her
[01:00:00] oh i think the glazers you know i think they're they're concerned that that you might
not feel
[01:00:06] comfortable seeing seeing katie with with well you know foster parents
[01:00:12] louise it's not that they don't like you they're just trying to be considerate
[01:00:24] [Music] uh-huh
[01:00:30] [Music]
[01:00:38] come on katie ask me a question look i don't care what it is just ask me
[01:00:45] something dark yes it is dark it's late
[01:00:51] just ask me a question and we'll be all through where kurt come thursday
[01:01:01] so what you really want to ask me is where will kurt pick me up on thursday
[01:01:08] right dark [Music]
[01:01:14] all right let's call it a day remember when i told you i had a friend
[01:01:19] i wanted you to meet the one named rob remember well he's finally made it over
[01:01:27] come on get up
[01:01:37] [Music]
[01:01:44] rob this is katie katie this is rob hi kitty
[01:01:52] [Music] hey where are you going
[01:02:00] [Music] that's very pretty katie she made it all
[01:02:06] by herself you did i saw jess beverly taught her how to operate a sewing machine
[01:02:12] rob want graham cracker i think she's inviting you for a snack but
[01:02:17] ask him again and this time put it in a question i wear is cracker
[01:02:26] i'd be honored to share a graham cracker with you
[01:02:33] [Music]
[01:02:46] so what are you doing go back to bed rob
[01:02:54] can't they wait until morning rob please go back to bed
[01:03:10] she's leveled off i don't think she's making any true progress at all
[01:03:16] i mean the vocabulary is there you know but it's not at the normal
[01:03:22] level that you'd find in the average child just entering kindergarten and even with the
words she has learned
[01:03:29] she can't construct a grammatical sentence in english [Music] or anything beyond the
rudimentary i
[01:03:37] like sewing in katie's case it could just as easily be sewing like i even when she is
being grammatical it's not on purpose
[01:03:44] yeah i see your point you know what really amazes me is how
[01:03:50] effective she is when she's when she's not relying on speech i mean
[01:03:58] she always manages to find some way to make herself understood norm and she's
so good with her hands maybe
[01:04:06] maybe we can find a way to combine the two
[01:04:13] okay okay let's try that again ready i will see
[01:04:21] remember you learned it like that two fingers see the dentist
[01:04:28] tomorrow do it again one more time i will right see
[01:04:36] the dentist tomorrow very good very good
[01:04:44] hey say something to sandra anything you want to say katie loves
[01:04:53] sandra sandra loves katie too
[01:05:08] [Music]
[01:05:20] mom [Music]
[01:05:34] so hey when'd you get home
[01:05:44] they've discontinued the grant what the nimh
[01:05:51] they've dropped it i kept telling norm to organize his research better and he kept
telling me
[01:05:56] oh everything's fine so where does that leave katie
[01:06:04] the glazers have already made new arrangements you believe this they've already
found new accommodations
[01:06:10] the new accommodations where i fixed up your room
[01:06:17] you want to go see it [Music] go ahead katie
[01:06:32] [Music]
[01:07:06] [Music] it's brand new
[01:07:15] they just delivered it this morning
[01:07:35] [Music] he's gone already huh
[01:07:42] why don't i fix this something to eat
[01:08:04] [Music]
[01:08:15] i think that once you actually see the institution you'll agree that katie couldn't find
better care anywhere
[01:08:24] well hello there hi uh mrs durray this is uh duria duria this is um
[01:08:32] sandra tannen she used to work with katie actually uh i think i'm gonna have a
[01:08:38] chance to work with her again it looks like the national science foundation's gonna
approve my grant proposal
[01:08:43] really do you know peter chang he's at the nsf no i doesn't ring a bell
[01:08:51] well i better run uh give me a call tomorrow louise and we'll try to set up a meeting to
get together and see the
[01:08:56] place fine and it was nice meeting you nice woman i i didn't quite get get what
[01:09:03] she does hi katie hey
[01:09:10] how are you oh yes i know you missed beverly i'm sure she misses you too
[01:09:22] wow look at that
[01:09:27] well that is just the best picture anybody has ever made of me
[01:09:36] you know what why don't you make another picture of rob so i could take it home and
show
[01:09:42] them what a great artist you are [Music] huh
[01:09:48] [Music]
[01:10:00] louise louise i hope you aren't considering placing katie in some sort of
[01:10:06] institution i can't see that i have much choice
[01:10:13] she spits all over my nice clean floors she stomps her feet and slams the doors
[Music]
[01:10:19] and she rubs her hands all over her private parts
[01:10:29] she never used to do such things yeah well she wasn't able to
[01:10:38] oh i thought i could take care of her again
[01:10:45] katie's got a lot of problems i didn't realize the kinds of problems
[01:10:51] she's got you know what i would do if i were in your place louise
[01:10:59] i would i would call the department of social services i would ask them to place katie
in a foster home
[01:11:05] you know some a nice couple whose kids have left home or maybe the kids are old
enough to help
[01:11:11] out i would hate to see her end up in an institution louise it is
[01:11:18] too cold an environment for someone like katie she needs love
[01:11:23] she needs a family [Music]
[01:11:58] let's bow our heads in prayer kitty what did i just say
[01:12:05] head prayer
[01:12:11] thank you colleen
[01:12:18] heavenly father we thank thee for these blessings you have bestowed upon us
[01:12:24] we pray that you guide our actions as we perform your work
[01:12:38] [Music]
[01:12:43] [Music]
[01:12:48] so [Music]
[01:13:02] jill you know you aren't supposed to use sign language you have something to say
just say it we
[01:13:08] can't understand you when you talk with your hands that goes for you too katie
[01:13:22] [Music] my brother got killed in vietnam he
[01:13:29] stepped on a bomb and he got blown up lona
[01:13:39] katie i told you you can't wear jewelry to church now give me the necklace
[01:13:46] don't fool around now katie come on you'll make us go away that will be quite enough
of that young
[01:13:52] lady so where's the girl oh she moved
[01:13:58] ah that's doing well i hope yeah she's doing really really well thanks
[01:14:13] well if it isn't the famous linguist herself and you are becoming quite famous you
[01:14:19] know hello judy i read your little article that you got published what was it
[01:14:25] called oh yes linguistic development in the modern day wild child
[01:14:31] catchy title but a little insulting to katie don't you think i mean
[01:14:39] saying that katie couldn't form what was it grammatical questions that's
[01:14:45] a lie maybe she never did when she was with you but when she was living with me
she asked grammatical questions all the time
[01:14:51] and saying that her father hit her for vocalizing what evidence do you have to make a
remark of that kind
[01:14:58] that's not science that's conjecture
[01:15:12] would you like me to cut up a banana to put on your cereal
[01:15:18] colleen pass me the sugar
[01:15:25] [Music] i'll take her to the bathroom wait a minute
[01:15:32] i'll get something to clean this up
[01:15:45] oh my god
[01:15:53] and furthermore i told her she could no longer have any visits from her mother why
because she looks forward to them
[01:16:02] the only way to impress a child is to deprive it of something that it values mrs
manning
[01:16:09] didn't the dss tell you that this girl has an extremely unusual background
[01:16:14] we have two other foster children with equally unusual backgrounds they don't go
around eating their own
[01:16:20] vomit it's the act of an animal
[01:16:37] tell me more about kurt kitty i want to hear more about kurt
[01:16:49] [Music] hi katie hi
[01:16:57] [Music] oh
[01:17:03] [Music] i heard about your accident
[01:17:09] do you want to tell me about it [Music]
[01:17:14] you're keeping your mouth shut because you're afraid you're vomit right is that what
you're doing
[01:17:24] why don't you use sign language mr manning doesn't want her to use sign language
mr manning mr manning can go to
[01:17:31] hell colleen um don't tell mr manning that i
[01:17:38] said that i don't want him to take it out on katie i promise
[01:17:47] talk to me katie please talk to me
[01:17:56] if you would just see her for yourself norm you would understand why i'm
[01:18:04] but all i'm asking is for you to just take her back to children's hospital this house is the
worst placement you
[01:18:09] could possibly we'll figure that out later first we've got to get her out of that house
[01:18:16] i'm not exaggerating in the slightest this is a real crisis it's okay
[01:18:24] okay okay thank you norm thank you
[01:18:32] he's going to help he's going to help
[01:18:42] [Music]
[01:19:08] good morning miss tannen morning please katie katie you've got to eat
[01:19:15] you've katie you've got to eat if you don't eat you'll get sick katie come on open open
[01:19:22] open you're okay you're okay open good [Music]
[01:19:34] see [Music]
[01:19:46] [Music]
[01:19:54] [Applause] [Music]
[01:20:00] can i help you yes yes i would like to speak to the uh social worker who's handling
the stand-in case
[01:20:06] standing yeah katie stanton if you would just pay her a visit i'm
[01:20:13] sure you would see that she's got to be relocated immediately it's awful there she she
won't eat she
[01:20:19] won't speak seems like she's the problem not the foster parents
[01:20:25] do you know even the slightest thing about her background we were talking about a
very unique
[01:20:31] child here they're all unique you see all these files on my desk there's a child that
goes with each one
[01:20:37] of them one's lost his parents in a fire another's been molested since infancy and i
empathize with each and every one
[01:20:44] of them i do but if you would just just make an effort to familiarize yourself with the
[01:20:50] history of this particular child i think you would see that she's she's in a class all her
own
[01:20:55] oh so we're interested in class distinctions are we
[01:21:05] so you're not married to miss tanning we're talking about it
[01:21:11] thank you and you're already living together yep
[01:21:17] we're living in sin
[01:21:26] katie katie don't you want to see rob huh oh he's dying to see you
[01:21:34] katie's been hurting herself she does this all the time at night she lies they're
[01:21:40] doing it till the blood comes out katie let me see katie show me
[01:21:50] where oh oh
[01:22:03] [Music]
[01:22:13] five minutes that's all i'm asking for five minutes of your time
[01:22:21] i know it was hard on you i know you and beverly had to sacrifice a great deal
[01:22:27] having katie katie come and live here with you maybe you don't think that i can
appreciate the extent of those
[01:22:33] sacrifices but but in my own limited way i think i can
[01:22:40] so i can understand why you don't want to get involved again and i wouldn't be
asking you if i could
[01:22:45] think of anything else to do i mean if i were sandra tannen md phdl
[01:22:52] i could walk into that house and take her straight to the hospital but i don't have all
those letters by my
[01:22:58] name norm i'm not asking you to move her back in
[01:23:04] again i just want you to help me stop her from destroying herself i mean
[01:23:10] if you could just see the extent of the damage please help her norm i'm begging you
[01:23:18] i nobody else will do it
[01:23:24] nobody [Music]
[01:23:33] i else know it's just me
[01:23:52] [Music]
[01:23:58] the second i heard she was living in an abusive home i didn't even blink i got right in
my car i went over
[01:24:04] there and an hour later i checked her into the hospital well hooray for you oh um
[01:24:10] amanda this is uh sandra tannen um sandra this is amanda black from the dss she's
going to be taking over katy's
[01:24:16] case nice to meet you i understand you were
[01:24:22] concerned about the other two girls living with the mannings and you'll be happy to
know their cases are under review
[01:24:28] i'd be happier knowing that they were both out of there well these things take time but
it would
[01:24:36] be relatively easy to find new placements for those two kd well i'm sure you know
that's a bit
[01:24:42] more problematic we've got to make sure this situation doesn't reoccur yeah i'm all
for that
[01:24:50] you know i don't know how you'll take to this suggestion but how would you like to
have katie come
[01:24:56] live with you with me from what i understand you two have a
[01:25:01] good relationship you've known each other fairly long time you obviously have a good
understanding of
[01:25:06] katie's needs in fact we'll probably never find anyone else who understands her newly
so well
[01:25:15] it's just she's very demanding i know i know i realize that it's not
[01:25:21] just her it's us it's you how would you ever find time to finish school if you had to look
[01:25:28] after katie
[01:25:33] you know i've thought about all that from every practical standpoint this is the worst
idea i've ever heard
[01:25:43] but you can't help thinking about it [Music]
[01:25:52] i'm sorry i must have the wrong room she was moved to another location you
[01:25:58] mean another hospital i honestly don't know what do you mean you don't know she
was moved this morning to another
[01:26:05] location that's all the information i have who moved her somebody had to authorize
[01:26:11] it as a matter of fact she was accompanied by her mother
[01:26:17] she's not here do you mind if i ask where she is in a place of my own choosing and
[01:26:24] don't give me any of your nonsense about what's good for katie you don't know
what's good for kid you never did louise please i have driven all the way
[01:26:32] out here could i please please just come in and speak to you for just a few minutes
[01:26:38] louise please
[01:26:47] the way you hounded that child
[01:26:52] don't say it like this katie say it like that
[01:26:59] and giving her all those tests that's why she couldn't get along with the mannings
[01:27:06] you pushed her to a point where she didn't know what jenna was up anymore louise
that's not true
[01:27:14] katie loved the work that we did i mean there were days when even i
[01:27:21] didn't want to work and and she she would make me do it that's the way you trained
her
[01:27:29] she was never person to you she was just some little scientific
[01:27:35] project no no
[01:27:43] i needed her in my life from the from the first moment that i laid eyes on her
[01:27:49] well you won't be laying eyes on her anymore if i find you anywhere near katie i'm
[01:27:56] going to call my lawyer and that goes for the glazers and dr york and anybody else
from children's
[01:28:01] hospital she is my daughter i'll decide what's done with her
[01:28:11] she's gonna think that i abandoned her you know could i please
[01:28:18] say goodbye no goodbyes no nothing just go back where you came
[01:28:27] from and stay there
[01:28:44] [Music] louise here's something i wanted to ask
[01:28:52] you from the very beginning but i never felt that i should [Music]
[01:28:59] why why did your husband isolate katie
[01:29:08] i can't tell you that you can't or you won't
[01:29:13] how can i tell you something i don't understand myself
[01:29:20] nobody understood west maybe his mother
[01:29:25] [Music]
[01:29:32] this was her house [Music] when katie was a baby we would spend
[01:29:39] about as much time here as we would at our place [Music] she was like somebody
out of the old
[01:29:44] west used to run a house of ill repute
[01:29:50] even in her old age she still packed a pistol oh wes he was just wild about her
[01:29:58] i think he cared more about her than he ever did me [Music]
[01:30:03] she sounds like quite a character oh she was [Music]
[01:30:10] wes was never the same after she died
[01:30:17] it happened right outside the store she was walking out to get an ice cream
[01:30:26] when this car comes running right up on her
[01:30:32] killed instantly just like that and i swear she wasn't in the ground more than a week
[01:30:37] then wes moved us all in here her bedroom wes wanted to keep it just
[01:30:44] the way it was when she was alive so we all had to sleep in the living
[01:30:49] room [Music]
[01:31:01] or everybody but katie she had the room in the back [Music]
[01:31:09] it was almost like wes was giving her something special
[01:31:16] it sounds like he like he projected his feelings for his mother on to keaney
[01:31:21] [Music] i beg your pardon i i didn't mean to
[01:31:30] on well one day i took katie to the doctor she
[01:31:36] was sick a lot from the day she was born and this doctor said it looked to him
[01:31:42] like she was [ __ ] well that was it as far as wes was
[01:31:47] concerned he said if those doctors get a hold of her we'd never get her back
[01:31:55] he said she probably wouldn't live to the age of three anyway [Music]
[01:32:02] but she just kept getting older [Music]
[01:32:07] and i was already starting to go blind so wes he was the one taking care of her
[01:32:15] i knew she needed help but wes
[01:32:22] he was always walking around with that pistol his mother left him
[01:32:30] the one he used to kill himself with
[01:32:38] it happened right here in this room
[01:32:43] [Music] sometimes in the middle of the night
[01:32:51] i'll hear the floor settle and i could swear it was wes walking
[01:32:58] around with that pistol in his belt he was trying to protect her like she
[01:33:04] was a princess locked away in a tower [Music]
[01:33:10] west never did trust doctors and in that regard i've come around to his
[01:33:17] way of thinking
[01:33:29] [Music]
[01:33:44] [Music]
[01:33:53] hello miss tannen [Music]
[01:33:58] so how long has this been going on from the moment that i read that article of yours i
thought katie's mother should know the kind of
[01:34:04] people she's dealing with but believe me i didn't have to say much my objections
found very sympathetic ears
[01:34:10] there was nothing wrong with that article you were just looking for an excuse you
didn't care what it was just as long
[01:34:16] as it helped you get katie back and thanks to you i never will poisoning the dss
against me well who's
[01:34:23] sorry now
[01:34:30] hello [Music]
[01:34:43] [Music]
[01:34:51] even after all this time i continue to hope that somehow someway i'll get to see katie
[01:34:59] again when i think about that possibility which is every single day
[01:35:04] i always wonder what i'd say to her i know i'd apologize for leaving the way i did
[01:35:10] it wasn't by choice but i'd apologize just the same just so she'd know it wasn't her
fault
[01:35:17] and then i'd ask all about her life i'd ask who she sees what she does and
[01:35:22] whether or not she's happy and obviously i hope she'd tell me yes
[01:35:28] even if she did i'd still wish there was some way i could give her back all the things
she lost
[01:35:34] but i know that isn't possible all i can do is concentrate on those
[01:35:41] things that are under my control and that goes for each and every one of
[01:35:47] [Music]
[01:35:54] us hush little baby don't say a word
[01:36:00] mama's gonna buy you a mockingbird and if that mockingbird don't sing
[01:36:09] mama's gonna buy you a diamond ring and if that diamond ring turns brass
[01:36:18] mama's gonna buy you a looking glass and if that looking glass gets broke
[01:36:26] mama's gonna buy you a billy goat and if that billy goat won't pull
[01:36:34] mama's gonna buy you a carton bowl and if that carton bull turn over
[01:36:43] mama's gonna buy you a dog named rover and if that dog named rover won't bark
[01:36:52] mama's gonna buy you a horse and cart and if that horse and cart fall down
[01:37:01] you'll still be the sweetest little baby in town
[01:37:22] [Music]
[01:37:32] so [Music]
[01:37:46] is
[01:37:58] [Music]
[01:38:04] [Music]
[01:38:14] i couldn't deny it
[01:38:31] [Music]
[01:38:37] [Music]
[01:38:42] is
[01:38:53] i'm not standing in the shadows
[01:38:59] [Music]
[01:39:10] oh [Music]
[01:39:21] how it should be is
Tab 2
00:00:06 - 00:05:35
[Music] [Music] so [Music] [Music] oh [Music] [Music] so [Music] me [Music] 21 july 20. now is
the time for change i bet you're happy now in there yeah does that make you feel huh little tasks
you have been putting off can now be that make her happy is that what you want all the little
tasks you have been putting off can now be moved to the front [Music] burner [Music] hmm
[Music] [Music] yes you promised me remember if she lived past the age of 12 we could get her
some help [Music] [Music]

00:05:24 - 00:06:38
[Music] god damn it what did you do that for she's gonna kill me you know that right i'm as good
as dead you just have to tell him you don't know where we're at you woke up when we were
both gone oh yeah i know you're supposed to have gotten away huh you can't even do anything
for yourself i don't know; you've had to think of an excuse what are you gonna live on
department of welfare uh i'm going to have to call you back is this where you handle the blind oh
no

00:06:43 - 00:07:52
ma'am this is social services now if you just go around back could you lead me there then i i've
got cataracts and the woman told me on the telephone i could come down here and get some
benefits who's that with you uh that's katie my daughter how old are you katie she'll be 14 in
[Music] april the parents of a 13 year old girl are free on bail tonight facing charges in what
authorities are calling the worst case of child abuse they've ever seen the girl currently being
treated for malnutrition

00:07:30 - 00:09:46
at children's hospital was apparently held captive by her parents from the age of 1 to 13. earlier
reports indicate the child never even learned to speak leading some to tag her a so-called wild
child [Music] is an innocent victim of her domineering husband that's the only comment we have
to make at this time thank you but what happened with the little girl you know what happened
thank you well where's the house where the people tied that little girl to the toilet [Music] all rise
be seated

00:09:40 - 00:12:50
[Music] stake versus stand on you're charged with willful gross neglect of a minor placed in your
custody how do you plead louise i plead not guilty i'm sorry [Music] 118 [Music] a visitor in the
mainland [Music] she's beautiful and i was expecting i just i don't know what i was expecting
stan claims he's heard her use a few words for colors and uh mama and stop it i've heard her
use those myself we gather she learned them before she was locked away but so far she
doesn't seem to have picked up any
00:11:44 - 00:12:55
new ones well she's she's almost 14 right so so the critical period has passed i beg your pardon
leniberg's hypothesis if a child doesn't acquire a language by the time it reaches puberty it never
will well she hasn't officially crossed that line yet so even if this theory is correct then she still
has a little time now listen i don't want you to just dive in there and start testing i want you to
spend these next few weeks getting to know her build up her confidence and trust unless of
course uh

00:12:20 - 00:15:26
if you'd like to back out right now you like the hair katie what color is that katie you know do you
know the color do you know what color that is huh that's red your hair is brown mine's gray katie
do you remember me i'm dr glazer i brought a friend of mine with me today her name is sandra
[Music] sandra [Music] so did you meet the famous wild child [Music] and [Music] [Applause] so
katie rise and shine [Music] you remember miss tandon don't you morning katie katie i want to
show you something okay

00:14:41 - 00:16:23
you think you can do that here [Music] okay here watch me okay all right see [Music] apparently
she was never given enough time to chew her food so she waits for it to break down in her
mouth how are you doing sugar pie got a present for you how did you know she wanted that she
told me she did well she didn't use no words but she told me just the same and how many
balloons do you have about you wesley how many balloons do you have three [Music] i think
you might want to take another look at those balloons

00:16:30 - 00:18:09
is it three or is it actually two well thanks to katie it's now definitely three very good good [Music]
judy hi we were never formally introduced i'm uh sandra tannen i know who you are ah you
know it's so funny this hospital has gone to such lengths to secure a grant and with the money
that they've gotten they could probably bring in noam chomsky himself instead they run across
town to ucla and find some first year graduate student well that's exactly what they wanted i i
don't have any time constraints or

00:17:48 - 00:19:09
family obligations no experience do you actually think you're qualified to teach this child how to
talk i'm not here to teach her how to talk i'm here to document the way she goes about acquiring
language there's a huge difference well you're certainly going to have a lot to document this girl
this girl is going to make me famous i'm going to be the next annie sullivan [Music] [Applause]
[Music] [Applause] she really said that crossed my heart and hoped to die and he still was the
one who taught

00:18:28 - 00:19:47
helen keller right that's the one i mean all right she's a very talented teacher i agree i've seen
her in action but i mean to state her ambitions in in such overt terms look i i know judy's a little
eccentric but like you say she's very good at what she does and she's essentially well-meaning i
hope you're right you like some more coffee mr sander i don't know if i would okay did i tell you
your brother moved away i don't know saying nowhere exactly [Music] don't know as he told me
could i speak

00:19:18 - 00:20:24
to you for a second i'm sure uh please excuse us for a minute thank you so uh so i'm assuming
because nobody told me she was going to be here today that he said it's not a very good idea to
ask her any questions huh well i think that's probably a wise assessment i hope you can
appreciate my sense of frustration i mean we know so little about katie's past this woman is in a
position to tell us so much the last time she talked she wound up in jail don't forget the court has
decided that

00:19:56 - 00:20:55
she's a victim too i thought you want to know why i mean i'm not even talking as a scientist here
i'm talking as a human being i want to know i want to know how another human being was
subjected to this kind of torture well you just have to be patient eventually there'll be some
answers there's been a suggestion that the hospital donated services to remove her cataracts
kind of a goodwill gesture that's right i still think it's vital that katie continue to see her mother

00:20:26 - 00:23:54
she's the only link to the past as that child has got doesn't it feel great to get out of the hospital
for a while [Music] oh my god [Music] she's masturbating [Music] wow nice now i got it
[Applause] what do you got there katie oh green yes that's green this is green these are peas
[Music] that's right peas and that is corn [Applause] um [Music] bothered [Music] do [Music]
[Music] so then we were at the toy store and katie was looking at these beach pails you know
she just loves anything plastic right so

00:23:19 - 00:24:15
finally stan and i decided we're going to buy her one and the cashier says to us are you sure
she wants another one we said well what do you mean and she says well that woman who just
left just bought her one wow but that's not what's really interesting what's really interesting is
that is that stan and i were with her the whole time and she never said one word to that woman
or to anyone else did you pick the phone bill by the way i mean i guess it's not that surprising
she's she's been cut off from language

00:23:47 - 00:25:09
so so naturally she's developed this this whole other way of communicating but but it is
so fascinating it's so fascinating to see the effect she has on people right what are these
it's great and you have eyes right where are your eyes no those are miss bingham's eyes
where are your eyes look at that it's just like she's blind i mean even the way she walks is
a blindism too it's like she's testing out the ground underneath her feet because she
doesn't even trust her eyes

00:25:01 - 00:26:12
[Music] now antarctica that's a gold mine for studying the effects of social isolation spent three
whole summers there in fact even got a mountain named after me i think she's waking up
[Music] look at her she's scared to death can i just go in don't worry she'll be back to sleep in no
time now when you isolate somebody you start to see the effects in as little as 15 minutes i
imagine with what this little girl has been through we're going to find some pretty severe
abnormalities

00:25:46 - 00:27:03
[Applause] and where do you think you're going i'm just going to go and say hello just she
knows i'm close by sandra pepsi generation for you hi katie hi no no no no no you can't do that i
don't know i know it's so uncomfortable oh no no sweetie sweetie lie down no no it's okay it's
okay how about i sing your song huh how about i sing you a song hush little baby don't say a
word come on mama's gonna gonna buy you a mockingbird and if that mockingbird don't sing

00:26:27 - 00:27:48
mama's gonna buy you a diamond ring this could if that diamond ring though huh [Music]
something mama's gonna buy you a dum dum dum thing he's [Music] this is very interesting you
see these spindles here you see how they're all bunched up together like that that's generally a
sign of retardation from birth mommy's gonna buy you a mockingbird so she said sandra silly
huh that's what she said amazing it's the first time she's called me by name or put two words
together

00:27:20 - 00:28:15
for that matter come here katie well we all know there's been some progress but that that
doesn't necessarily mean that lacy's wrong doesn't mean he's right either it's just one study lacie
admitted himself you find those exact same sleep spindles and infant boys have just been
circumcised you know don't forget katie started speaking at 16 months which is not the case
with with [ __ ] children katie hey katie come here look look i'm not trying to be biased i mean i'm
prepared

00:27:47 - 00:29:07
to follow the facts wherever they might lead please call off your dog like pack yes i know you like
pails pale yes i know like [ __ ] yes and you like you like buckets too i know but why is this one a
pail and this one a bucket they look the same to me well making more of our little research
notes i see katie how would you like to spend the night at my house tonight i beg your pardon dr
glazer said it was fine this child is not simply some tool of science you know it's about time she
spent some time at a normal home

00:29:06 - 00:30:25
a norm judy do i need to remind you of certain comments you've made and miss bingham likes
katie too miss bingham likes katie more than anybody in the whole world hello well she's still
asleep sure i can give her a message but you're kidding me how is it rob katie's been
quarantined over at judy bingham's house [Applause] judy's contracted rubella katie's been
staying over at her house so she's been exposed too now obviously there is no way we can risk
infecting the rest of the children

00:30:13 - 00:32:03
at the hospital i don't believe it i don't believe this well i saw her with my own two eyes and she's
definitely got something yeah she's got something all right she's got katie all right let's just relax
okay it's going to be business as usual only for the next few weeks it'll all take place at judy's
house [Music] so hi katie could you open the door for me the door could you go around and
open the door for me yes the the door no sweetie hi yeah could you open the door open the
door

00:31:15 - 00:32:51
sweetie please just open the door for me i'm sorry i was indisposed come in oh yes sandra
certainly did wait so how you feeling judy much better thanks guys boy katie you are certainly
learning a lot of new words but store is her favorite every building she sees she stops and points
and says store if it's all right with miss tan and it's all right with me now let's go [Music] you can
watch tv for a few more minutes and then it's time to sleep i can't get over how well she's doing

00:32:27 - 00:33:41
you've really got a gift judy well i guess i can empathize i was a very sickly child myself and i
always wanted kids of my own but i guess it was just not meant to be anyway i suppose you've
noticed that katie is fond of uh touching herself haven't you yeah of course she's even done it in
public a few times and you've tried to stop her yeah of course i have but uh well you know katie
she's got a mind of her own yes but children are sponges and they do what they're taught to do

00:33:03 - 00:34:20
well not always you know i mean linguistically speaking the the seeds of language are there
from birth the only way for a child not to develop language is to well well to do what katie's
parents did just isolate her completely and you think the sexual instinct works the same way well
it's not really my field of expertise but even even infants masturbate right you want sugar [Music]
judy bingham has accused me of molesting katie yeah i went over there yesterday you know
just to check things out

00:33:47 - 00:34:43
and uh judy told me that i could take katie out for a walk so um we'll get back to the house
katie's here's a little must you know from the wind judy looks right at him she's out of her mind
she's completely out of her mind i i can't describe i can't tell you how i felt i mean i charged like
that you know i mean if it goes public i'm the last person in the world well who would believe her
i mean you you practically saved katie everyone in this hospital knows that oh

00:34:15 - 00:35:32
you treated her like she was your own oh it doesn't matter it doesn't matter if i win a suit for for
slander the charges would still stick i mean people would always wonder i really care about that
little girl but you know i don't think i have any choice except to quit the team katie the door the
door you know dorm oh katie please but not again i'll be right back katie [Music] what's going on
i don't think it's a very good idea for you to see katie today your visits are tiring her

00:34:53 - 00:35:47
since when since when do you decide who she sees and doesn't see you're not her guardian
well it's a matter of fact i've applied to become just that and until social services make their
decision she's to remain in my custody judy judy don't you realize what you're doing you're
cutting her off from the rest of the world it's like she is right back in the house she grew up in
[Music] oh first stan york and then me who's gonna be next huh are you gonna go on holding
her hostage

00:35:20 - 00:36:52
for the rest of her how life this one no okay do you know what that is okay [Music] yes yes that's
it i didn't even know you knew what a log was it's okay how about this one am i deserving
anything no not at all i was just reviewing the same work i was doing over a month ago it's uh
pretty much all i can do at this point you know um beverly and i have been talking about this
whole situation and uh well we've pretty much decided to apply as katie's foster parents that
that's the best news i've heard in

00:36:27 - 00:37:19
weeks it's it's not a firm decision yet i mean katie is you know obviously she's a handful and uh
we do have three children of our own of course of course of course sorry in my especially my
zeal i hadn't even given that any consideration and then i've i've already taken over as katie's
therapist i mean beverly with her background in child development uh will be a lot of help in that
department but i'm also a researcher on the case so to try to balance all of that is uh yeah

00:36:54 - 00:39:09
i see i see i see your dilemma but i i think it can be done so if um katie's social workers give us
the go-ahead then we're uh we want to give it a shot [Music] you forgot one [Music] i love you
[Music] i don't know what to say not now you don't but believe me this is not over yet you are
depriving this child of the best home she's ever had or ever will have and i'm gonna make sure
you all pay if it's the last thing i ever do [Music] [Applause] every morning [Music] [Music]

00:38:55 - 00:40:49
[Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] oh [Applause] kitty
watch me watch okay watch this oh i am so mad boy i'm so mad i could just you see i'm so mad
that i could just throw a complete tantrum just like fish just complete them you see me so mad
and so mad i'm so mad higher good now say i am mad katie think i'm mad getting mad good
now jump up and down i know this is helping katie but you may live to regret this one day harder
jump up on town good now say i am

00:40:34 - 00:42:36
very very angry i am you might be right car has mirror the car has a mirror katie did you take my
hairbrush i can't this wait till later well i'm sorry but she's been appropriating too many of my
things and frankly my patience is running a little thin so what should we do now why sandra play
piano oh it's concert time is it all right all right what do you want to hear me play i am trying
really hard i really am but sometimes i don't think you guys realize that i have problems too

00:41:49 - 00:44:45
really oh come on of course we do [Music] [Applause] oh we have a request for chopin okay let
me find something i know okay [Music] so [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] yes so i uh
i believe this is the first time you've ever actually seen me in person isn't it you're a lot shorter
than i thought you'd be it's so nice to finally meet you mrs stanford louise [Music] katie mama's
here so uh would you like something to drink i don't know that i would thank you well
00:44:27 - 00:46:31
lunch is almost ready i made something special i hope you like it she is here's katie [Music]
happy katie happy mama c [Music] what have you done to her to make her walk so peculiar
[Music] so um i hear from oklahoma i used to be you ever seen a tornado once i actually did a
paper for school on tornadoes and i found something kind of interesting they've actually hit los
angeles a couple of times i don't believe that what i mean think about it you got warm air coming
up from baja and

00:45:40 - 00:47:34
cold air coming down from the sierra nevadas it's always the interaction of those two fronts that
causes the tornado jonathan's got the family aptitude for science i beg your pardon katie what
are you supposed to do before you reach for something at the table you're supposed to ask right
now say may i have the applesauce please come on katie come on you can do that don't torture
the child if she doesn't want to say anything she doesn't have to [Music] [Applause] [Music] i
mean you could have at least

00:46:51 - 00:48:32
acknowledged the operation i mean it's not like we arranged it as some form of blackmail i don't
know well i think she must be overwhelmed i mean personally i don't know how well i would take
it if i arrived at a complete stranger's house and then i saw this complete stranger acting as a
surrogate mother to my child hmm well i guess you must feel pretty [Music] powerless good
morning katie get up it's time for breakfast [Music] well it's finally happened what's finally
happened

00:48:12 - 00:49:25
what we've been waiting for hi katie hi i know beverly already tried to explain this to you but but
you really don't have anything to be afraid of what happened to you happens to every woman
that happens to me it happens to beverly just means you're becoming a big girl that's what it
means i think she'll be all right god she's just finished toilet training she's already menstruating
well look there is a silver lining to all this the critical period's over anything

00:49:09 - 00:50:43
katie learns from now on is over the line so i guess we're going to finally find out if the leneberg
theory is correct it's not a theory it's a hypothesis katie's going to prove it wrong you just watch i
have an announcement we have a new student who's going to be joining us today now she's a
little bit older than the rest of us than the rest of you but she's never been to school before so i
want you all to be especially nice to her do i make myself clear class this is katie and what do
we say
00:49:59 - 00:51:40
to katy [Music] all right dear you can sit down wherever you like sit here [Music] this is kurt now
he's already been told where to drop me off so don't worry okay [Music] [Music] is how it should
be [Music] he must have taken two whole minutes when we finally got her loose the bus driver
take it i mean he was great he was great he was really really nice guy did i mention he's
gorgeous several times oh god i told katie if i were unattached i go for him in a heartbeat well
you're not i'm sorry

00:51:59 - 00:52:58
oh god you know i'm with katie so much and ah she could be such a tease she's got this really
playful side that oh well you'll see one day she's got this amazing capacity to sort of sort of catch
you up in whatever mood she's in it's magical yep she's just magic all the way around hey is
something wrong it's just ever since you started working with katie i've heard so much about her
i mean that's pretty much all you talk about so i'm boring now oh but you know you

00:52:32 - 00:54:03
keep you keep building her up you keep saying i'm gonna meet her one day so i'm just i really
don't want to be disappointed you know i mean nobody can be that great fine bye from now on
my lips are sealed [Music] where is may i have 10 cents and does that sound like a question
katie a question okay i want you to just try again this time i want you to try very hard i am so
sorry i was at the hospital norman this is uh this is eleanor sorry i don't remember uh how do
you do and this is dr richard

00:53:25 - 00:54:46
tennyson hello we're from the national national institute of mental health yes uh beverly called
me and told me you were you know actually pardon me i assumed uh that we're gonna be
seeing each other at my office so this is the place where most of the work takes place yes yes
katie katie you know better than that beverly doesn't like it when you spit on the floor toyco calm
mine uh the coal mine is in the basement you see sometimes we appropriate some of katie's
toys as a kind of a disciplinary um look why don't

00:54:00 - 00:55:06
i just show you around hmm the spoon goes here katie i showed them all the videotape i've shot
for almost an hour they sit there looking at it and then all they can say is so where is your
research well i just showed them my damn research and they start in about how it's not all
perfectly catalogued well that's what they're paying for isn't it well of course it is but you know
what it's not fair for them to just drop by and expect everything to be just perfect we need you
00:54:46 - 00:58:06
in here here we go again norm you don't think we're in any danger of losing the grant do you of
course not they know how important this is i just just need to clarify my part of the research
good morning bye [Music] loves [Music] [Applause] oh katie why did you do that very very angry
[Music] me [Music] [Applause] [Music] kitty what's wrong i'm not gonna hurt you you know that
[Music] tell me what's bothering you [Music] go and put it into words [Music] i never did get out
to the beach much

00:58:17 - 00:59:54
west would never take me he was a cool man [Music] katie said something the other day she
said and these are her exact words father hit big stick do you have any idea what that might
mean well wes he didn't like noise that's why he didn't want children and katie well sometimes
she'd make noise unless he kept a a big stick in the corner of her room for when she acted up
so how often did he beat her not all that much he had a few other ways of keeping her quiet like
he'd growl

00:59:20 - 01:00:34
what he'd growl like a dog that kept her quiet i imagined so otherwise he wouldn't have kept on
doing it those people katie lives with the glazers they don't care for me much do they i wouldn't
say that then why won't they let me see katie at their house why do you have to drive katie all
the way out here just so i can spend some time with her oh i think the glazers you know i think
they're they're concerned that that you might not feel comfortable seeing seeing katie with with
well you know

01:00:10 - 01:01:54
foster parents louise it's not that they don't like you they're just trying to be considerate [Music]
uh-huh [Music] come on katie ask me a question look i don't care what it is just ask me
something dark yes it is dark it's late just ask me a question and we'll be all through where kurt
come thursday so what you really want to ask me is where will kurt pick me up on thursday right
dark [Music] all right let's call it a day remember when i told you i had a friend i wanted you to
meet

01:01:22 - 01:04:17
the one named rob remember well he's finally made it over come on get up [Music] rob this is
katie katie this is rob hi kitty [Music] hey where are you going [Music] that's very pretty katie she
made it all by herself you did i saw jess beverly taught her how to operate a sewing machine rob
want graham cracker i think she's inviting you for a snack but ask him again and this time put it
in a question i wear is cracker i'd be honored to share a graham cracker with you [Music] so
what are you doing go back to bed rob
01:02:54 - 01:04:12
can't they wait until morning rob please go back to bed she's leveled off i don't think she's
making any true progress at all i mean the vocabulary is there you know but it's not at the
normal level that you'd find in the average child just entering kindergarten and even with the
words she has learned she can't construct a grammatical sentence in english [Music] or
anything beyond the rudimentary i like sewing in katie's case it could just as easily be sewing
like i even when she is being

01:03:42 - 01:05:36
grammatical it's not on purpose yeah i see your point you know what really amazes me is how
effective she is when she's when she's not relying on speech i mean she always manages to
find some way to make herself understood norm and she's so good with her hands maybe
maybe we can find a way to combine the two okay okay let's try that again ready i will see
remember you learned it like that two fingers see the dentist tomorrow do it again one more time
i will right see the dentist

01:04:40 - 01:07:01
tomorrow very good very good hey say something to sandra anything you want to say katie
loves sandra sandra loves katie too [Music] mom [Music] so hey when'd you get home they've
discontinued the grant what the nimh they've dropped it i kept telling norm to organize his
research better and he kept telling me oh everything's fine so where does that leave katie the
glazers have already made new arrangements you believe this they've already found new
accommodations the new accommodations where

01:06:14 - 01:10:01
i fixed up your room you want to go see it [Music] go ahead katie [Music] [Music] it's brand new
they just delivered it this morning [Music] he's gone already huh why don't i fix this something to
eat [Music] i think that once you actually see the institution you'll agree that katie couldn't find
better care anywhere well hello there hi uh mrs durray this is uh duria duria this is um sandra
tannen she used to work with katie actually uh i think i'm gonna have a chance to work with her
again

01:08:40 - 01:10:14
it looks like the national science foundation's gonna approve my grant proposal really do you
know peter chang he's at the nsf no i doesn't ring a bell well i better run uh give me a call
tomorrow louise and we'll try to set up a meeting to get together and see the place fine and it
was nice meeting you nice woman i i didn't quite get get what she does hi katie hey how are you
oh yes i know you missed beverly i'm sure she misses you too wow look at that well that is just
the best picture
01:09:29 - 01:11:13
anybody has ever made of me you know what why don't you make another picture of rob so i
could take it home and show them what a great artist you are [Music] huh [Music] louise louise i
hope you aren't considering placing katie in some sort of institution i can't see that i have much
choice she spits all over my nice clean floors she stomps her feet and slams the doors [Music]
and she rubs her hands all over her private parts she never used to do such things yeah well
she wasn't able to

01:10:39 - 01:11:56
oh i thought i could take care of her again katie's got a lot of problems i didn't realize the kinds of
problems she's got you know what i would do if i were in your place louise i would i would call
the department of social services i would ask them to place katie in a foster home you know
some a nice couple whose kids have left home or maybe the kids are old enough to help out i
would hate to see her end up in an institution louise it is too cold an environment for someone
like katie she needs love

01:11:24 - 01:14:49
she needs a family [Music] let's bow our heads in prayer kitty what did i just say head prayer
thank you colleen heavenly father we thank thee for these blessings you have bestowed upon
us we pray that you guide our actions as we perform your work [Music] [Music] so [Music] jill you
know you aren't supposed to use sign language you have something to say just say it we can't
understand you when you talk with your hands that goes for you too katie [Music] my brother got
killed in vietnam he

01:13:30 - 01:15:10
stepped on a bomb and he got blown up lona katie i told you you can't wear jewelry to church
now give me the necklace don't fool around now katie come on you'll make us go away that will
be quite enough of that young lady so where's the girl oh she moved ah that's doing well i hope
yeah she's doing really really well thanks well if it isn't the famous linguist herself and you are
becoming quite famous you know hello judy i read your little article that you got published what
was it

01:14:26 - 01:16:01
called oh yes linguistic development in the modern day wild child catchy title but a little insulting
to katie don't you think i mean saying that katie couldn't form what was it grammatical questions
that's a lie maybe she never did when she was with you but when she was living with me she
asked grammatical questions all the time and saying that her father hit her for vocalizing what
evidence do you have to make a remark of that kind that's not science that's conjecture would
you like me to cut up a banana to

01:15:14 - 01:16:45
put on your cereal colleen pass me the sugar [Music] i'll take her to the bathroom wait a minute
i'll get something to clean this up oh my god and furthermore i told her she could no longer have
any visits from her mother why because she looks forward to them the only way to impress a
child is to deprive it of something that it values mrs manning didn't the dss tell you that this girl
has an extremely unusual background we have two other foster children with equally unusual
backgrounds

01:16:19 - 01:18:33
they don't go around eating their own vomit it's the act of an animal tell me more about kurt kitty
i want to hear more about kurt [Music] hi katie hi [Music] oh [Music] i heard about your accident
do you want to tell me about it [Music] you're keeping your mouth shut because you're afraid
you're vomit right is that what you're doing why don't you use sign language mr manning doesn't
want her to use sign language mr manning mr manning can go to hell colleen um don't tell mr
manning that i

01:17:39 - 01:19:03
said that i don't want him to take it out on katie i promise talk to me katie please talk to me if you
would just see her for yourself norm you would understand why i'm but all i'm asking is for you to
just take her back to children's hospital this house is the worst placement you could possibly
we'll figure that out later first we've got to get her out of that house i'm not exaggerating in the
slightest this is a real crisis it's okay okay okay thank you norm thank you

01:18:33 - 01:20:39
he's going to help he's going to help [Music] good morning miss tannen morning please katie
katie you've got to eat you've katie you've got to eat if you don't eat you'll get sick katie come on
open open open you're okay you're okay open good [Music] see [Music] [Music] [Applause]
[Music] can i help you yes yes i would like to speak to the uh social worker who's handling the
stand-in case standing yeah katie stanton if you would just pay her a visit i'm

01:20:13 - 01:21:14
sure you would see that she's got to be relocated immediately it's awful there she she won't eat
she won't speak seems like she's the problem not the foster parents do you know even the
slightest thing about her background we were talking about a very unique child here they're all
unique you see all these files on my desk there's a child that goes with each one of them one's
lost his parents in a fire another's been molested since infancy and i empathize with each and
every one

01:20:45 - 01:22:03
of them i do but if you would just just make an effort to familiarize yourself with the history of this
particular child i think you would see that she's she's in a class all her own oh so we're
interested in class distinctions are we so you're not married to miss tanning we're talking about it
thank you and you're already living together yep we're living in sin katie katie don't you want to
see rob huh oh he's dying to see you katie's been hurting herself she does

01:21:38 - 01:23:11
this all the time at night she lies they're doing it till the blood comes out katie let me see katie
show me where oh oh [Music] five minutes that's all i'm asking for five minutes of your time i
know it was hard on you i know you and beverly had to sacrifice a great deal having katie katie
come and live here with you maybe you don't think that i can appreciate the extent of those
sacrifices but but in my own limited way i think i can so i can understand why you don't want to
get involved again

01:22:44 - 01:24:21
and i wouldn't be asking you if i could think of anything else to do i mean if i were sandra tannen
md phdl i could walk into that house and take her straight to the hospital but i don't have all
those letters by my name norm i'm not asking you to move her back in again i just want you to
help me stop her from destroying herself i mean if you could just see the extent of the damage
please help her norm i'm begging you i nobody else will do it nobody [Music] i else know it's just
me

01:23:52 - 01:24:57
[Music] the second i heard she was living in an abusive home i didn't even blink i got right in my
car i went over there and an hour later i checked her into the hospital well hooray for you oh um
amanda this is uh sandra tannen um sandra this is amanda black from the dss she's going to be
taking over katy's case nice to meet you i understand you were concerned about the other two
girls living with the mannings and you'll be happy to know their cases are under review i'd be
happier knowing that they were

01:24:31 - 01:25:35
both out of there well these things take time but it would be relatively easy to find new
placements for those two kd well i'm sure you know that's a bit more problematic we've got to
make sure this situation doesn't reoccur yeah i'm all for that you know i don't know how you'll
take to this suggestion but how would you like to have katie come live with you with me from
what i understand you two have a good relationship you've known each other fairly long time
you

01:25:05 - 01:26:26
obviously have a good understanding of katie's needs in fact we'll probably never find anyone
else who understands her newly so well it's just she's very demanding i know i know i realize
that it's not just her it's us it's you how would you ever find time to finish school if you had to look
after katie you know i've thought about all that from every practical standpoint this is the worst
idea i've ever heard but you can't help thinking about it [Music] i'm sorry i must have the wrong
room

01:25:56 - 01:26:57
she was moved to another location you mean another hospital i honestly don't know what do
you mean you don't know she was moved this morning to another location that's all the
information i have who moved her somebody had to authorize it as a matter of fact she was
accompanied by her mother she's not here do you mind if i ask where she is in a place of my
own choosing and don't give me any of your nonsense about what's good for katie you don't
know what's good for kid you never did

01:26:30 - 01:27:37
louise please i have driven all the way out here could i please please just come in and speak to
you for just a few minutes louise please the way you hounded that child don't say it like this katie
say it like that and giving her all those tests that's why she couldn't get along with the mannings
you pushed her to a point where she didn't know what jenna was up anymore louise that's not
true katie loved the work that we did i mean there were days when even i didn't want to work
and

01:27:22 - 01:28:40
and she she would make me do it that's the way you trained her she was never person to you
she was just some little scientific project no no i needed her in my life from the from the first
moment that i laid eyes on her well you won't be laying eyes on her anymore if i find you
anywhere near katie i'm going to call my lawyer and that goes for the glazers and dr york and
anybody else from children's hospital she is my daughter i'll decide what's done with her she's
gonna think that i abandoned her

01:28:15 - 01:30:30
you know could i please say goodbye no goodbyes no nothing just go back where you came
from and stay there [Music] louise here's something i wanted to ask you from the very beginning
but i never felt that i should [Music] why why did your husband isolate katie i can't tell you that
you can't or you won't how can i tell you something i don't understand myself nobody
understood west maybe his mother [Music] this was her house [Music] when katie was a baby
we would spend about as much time here as we would at

01:29:41 - 01:31:12
our place [Music] she was like somebody out of the old west used to run a house of ill repute
even in her old age she still packed a pistol oh wes he was just wild about her i think he cared
more about her than he ever did me [Music] she sounds like quite a character oh she was
[Music] wes was never the same after she died it happened right outside the store she was
walking out to get an ice cream when this car comes running right up on her killed instantly just
like that and i swear she wasn't in the ground more than

01:30:37 - 01:32:31
a week then wes moved us all in here her bedroom wes wanted to keep it just the way it was
when she was alive so we all had to sleep in the living room [Music] or everybody but katie she
had the room in the back [Music] it was almost like wes was giving her something special it
sounds like he like he projected his feelings for his mother on to keaney [Music] i beg your
pardon i i didn't mean to on well one day i took katie to the doctor she was sick a lot from the
day she was born and this doctor said it looked to him

01:31:42 - 01:33:10
like she was [ __ ] well that was it as far as wes was concerned he said if those doctors get a
hold of her we'd never get her back he said she probably wouldn't live to the age of three
anyway [Music] but she just kept getting older [Music] and i was already starting to go blind so
wes he was the one taking care of her i knew she needed help but wes he was always walking
around with that pistol his mother left him the one he used to kill himself with it happened right
here in this room

01:32:44 - 01:34:25
[Music] sometimes in the middle of the night i'll hear the floor settle and i could swear it was wes
walking around with that pistol in his belt he was trying to protect her like she was a princess
locked away in a tower [Music] west never did trust doctors and in that regard i've come around
to his way of thinking [Music] [Music] hello miss tannen [Music] so how long has this been going
on from the moment that i read that article of yours i thought katie's mother should know the
kind of

01:34:04 - 01:35:29
people she's dealing with but believe me i didn't have to say much my objections found very
sympathetic ears there was nothing wrong with that article you were just looking for an excuse
you didn't care what it was just as long as it helped you get katie back and thanks to you i never
will poisoning the dss against me well who's sorry now hello [Music] [Music] even after all this
time i continue to hope that somehow someway i'll get to see katie again when i think about that
possibility

01:35:03 - 01:36:16
which is every single day i always wonder what i'd say to her i know i'd apologize for leaving the
way i did it wasn't by choice but i'd apologize just the same just so she'd know it wasn't her fault
and then i'd ask all about her life i'd ask who she sees what she does and whether or not she's
happy and obviously i hope she'd tell me yes even if she did i'd still wish there was some way i
could give her back all the things she lost but i know that isn't possible

01:35:39 - 01:37:27
all i can do is concentrate on those things that are under my control and that goes for each and
every one of [Music] us hush little baby don't say a word mama's gonna buy you a mockingbird
and if that mockingbird don't sing mama's gonna buy you a diamond ring and if that diamond
ring turns brass mama's gonna buy you a looking glass and if that looking glass gets broke
mama's gonna buy you a billy goat and if that billy goat won't pull mama's gonna buy you a
carton bowl

01:36:39 - 01:39:47
and if that carton bull turn over mama's gonna buy you a dog named rover and if that dog
named rover won't bark mama's gonna buy you a horse and cart and if that horse and cart fall
down you'll still be the sweetest little baby in town [Music] so [Music] is [Music] [Music] i couldn't
deny it [Music] [Music] is i'm not standing in the shadows [Music] oh [Music] how it should be is