The Seduction Community
An Introduction
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A Short History of Seduction
Historically men had power and control
King David Paris Mark Anthony
Romantic love
Great eroticists
Don Juan
Courtly love (Lancelot and Guinevere)
Women could gain Casanova power (social influence) Men adopted the through sex feminine tools of Bathsheba Helen of Troy seduction Ordinary mate selection was based on proximity and social class
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Cleopatra
Language (poetry, oration, imagery) Appearance (clothing, jewelry, ornamentation)
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Seducers vs. Frustrated Chumps
Natural seducers have always been among us Cool (fun, attractive) used to be considered an innate, immutable personal quality Average Frustrated Chumps (AFCs) figured they were at the mercy of luck and chance
Charisma, Social savvy, Skill with women
Actors: Cary Grant, Errol Flynn, Clark Gable Celebrities: Hugh Hefner, Wilt Chamberlain, Gene Simmons Movies/TV: James Bond, The Fonz, Ponch & John
Take whatever I can get Beg, plead, cheat, and lie if thats what it takes
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Newsflash: Seduction is a Skill
1970: Eric Weber How to Pick Up Girls 1980s: Don Steele, Ross Jeffries Dating books and seminars Neuro Linguistic Programming (NLP) Speed Seduction 1994: Lewis De Payne [Link] (ASF) Newsgroup
1990s-2000s: The Gurus
Like any skill seduction can be taught and learned Of course mastery requires practice
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Ross Jeffries David DeAngelo Mystery (Erik von Markovik) Style (Neil Strauss) Mark Cunningham David Deida Juggler (Wayne Elise) Zan Perrion Tyler Durden Lance Mason BradP Mehow and many many more
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The Practice of Seduction
Diverse sources
Evolutionary Biology Psychology Sociology Self Help Leadership and Management Literature and Art Eastern Philosophy Acting and Improvisation Magic and Mentalism Sales and Marketing
This is no surprise
Modern seduction
The study of human interaction and sexuality is vast
Socially awkward people Technically smart Driven by the Internet Goal: Model success Experiential emphasis
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Key Insights
Looks, money, possessions dont matter Personality, confidence, humor, independence are attractive Skills can be learned and taught Success with women can be modeled and emulated Your prejudices, biases, and assumptions are irrelevantevidence and results count
Field testing Sometimes they help Usually they hurt
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Various Styles
Supplicating Behavior Frustrated Chump Inner Game Day Game Indirect Game Methods/Routines Attractive Behavior Pick Up Artist Outer Game Night Game Direct Game Natural Game
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Supplicating Behavior Doing things to win her approval Lavishing her with money and trinkets Needing her
Attractive Behavior
Doing things that are interesting to you Guiding her with rewards and punishment Wanting her
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Frustrated Chump
Tries to entertain her Cares about the outcome Pleads and whines Takes what he can get Worries what people think
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Pick Up Artist (PUA)
Always entertains himself Is not attached to the outcome Leads and guides Is extremely selective Knows what he believes
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Inner Game
Attitudes and beliefs Confidence Psychological Harder to see to measure Easier to fake, harder to attain
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Outer Game
Actions and behaviors Competence Physiological Easier to see and measure Harder to fake, easier to attain
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Day Game
Everyday settings: stores, restaurants, parks, work Low key Verbal, vibing, comfort Less competitive
Night Game
Social venues: bars, clubs, socializing mixers High energy Physical, flashy, tension More competitive
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Indirect Game
Covert intentions Avoids rejection Under the radar Reduces her defenses
Direct Game
Clear intentions Confronts rejection Over the top Challenges her to accept or defend
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Methods/Routines
Conscious Rehearsed and prepared Proven/field tested Formal structure Black and white
Natural Game
Intuitive Spontaneous and improvised Unproven/hit or miss Unstructured or contextual Shades of grey
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Some Other Elements
Cocky and Funny (David DeAngelo) NLP Patterns (Ross Jeffries)
Cocky: Arrogant, irreverent, teasing Funny: Humor, wit, good natured Hypnotic induction Anchoring Sexual language embedding Grooming Physical fitness Fashion and personal style Identity and individuality
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Personal Growth (Various)
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Choosing A Style
Consider the pros and cons of each approach for you, not right vs. wrong Progress is not linear
Use a style relevant to your interests and congruent with your skill level
One night stand (ONS) Same night lay (SNL) Hookup Long-term relationship (LTR) Multiple long-term relationships (MLTR) Girlfriend (GF) Wife (WTF)
Beginner, intermediate, advanced, master each style
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How To Be Flexible
Be willing to try new things
Progress is about change and experimentation The greater exposure to variety, the greater your creativity and innovation Peacocking like Mystery at Starbucks makes you a desperate attention whore Context matters!
Adapt to the situation
The more you practice the better you get You can always quit using a style or technique that doesnt suit you
But you cant suddenly adopt one if you dont know it
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The Ethics of Seduction
Members of the community like to defend it while critics are quick to judge it Not One Monolithic Agenda
Styles show the community is diverse Different perspectives compete within it
Better to understand the good and the bad aspects of the community
What beliefs underlie community activities? How does the community help men? Women? How does the community harm men? Women? What practices are ethical? Unethical?
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Take Aways
Seduction is a skill that can be practiced and learned Seduction is about attraction, not control Creating value for others increases your own value Independence and irreverence are highly attractive There is no best style and no one right way
Only more effective or less effective for you Soft sell beats brute force
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The Seduction Community
An Introduction
James (PsychoLogic) TantraLogic Group
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