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 DEBRA LYNNE KATZ
International School of Clairvoyance
Bio

Debra Lynne Katz is an internationally renowned speaker,

and founder and director of the International School of
Clairvoyance (ISC), which was the first online school in the
world to offer interactive small group clairvoyant training in a
tele-seminar and webinar format. Debra is an author of “You
Are Psychic: The Art of Clairvoyant Reading and Healing”;
“Extraordinary Psychic: Proven Techniques to Master Your
Natural Abilities”, and “Freeing the Genie Within: Manifesting
Abundance, Creativity, and Success in Your LIfe. She has been a
professional clairvoyant, healer, medium for the past 25 years
and is a professional remote viewer, parapsychologist and
research subject. She is currently a Ph.D student in Psychology
at the University of West Georgia and holds a Masters Degree
in Social Work with a B.A in Psychology.

​ hile Debra is a talented and highly sought after clairvoyant-

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medium-psychic-remote viewer, she is perhaps more unique
in her belief that all people have the innate potential to tap
their own intuitive powers. She is also unique in that she is a
psychic researcher in addition to being a spiritually orientated
psychic. She works around the clock to continue to improve
her own intuitive abilities and those of countless others,
convinced that most of humanity has not even come close to
realizing their true potential.

Debra, does the style of Remote Viewing that you with clairvoyant students from the start (motivated by the
teach have a name? release of Targ and Puttoffs, Mind Reach (1994), I really got
more serious about constructing a more formal course about
DLK: I teach two types of psychic modalities: For over 20 years three years ago.
I’ve been teaching an approach that for lack of a better term I
call “clairvoyant reading and healing”. This system is outlined in Can you briefly explain the differences between
my books, You Are Psychic: The Art of Clairvoyant Reading and these two approaches?
Healing (2004) and Extraordinary Psychic: Proven Techniques
to Master Your Natural abilities (2008); and touched upon In Clairvoyant Reading and Healing, there is a focus on reading
in my latest book “Freeing the Genie Within: Manifesting and healing oneself and others through the use of focused
Abundance, Creativity, and Success in Your Life” (2009). attention on particular symbols, pictures, and colors that
can be manipulated to obtain information or effect change
I also teach a completely different modality, which I have within the “client”. A key aspect to this approach is that the
coined as Practical Remote Viewing. While I’ve incorporated clairvoyant reader and client usually come together in real
remote viewing exercises and experiments into my training

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time for the information/energetic exchange on the phone or to practice, whether on their own; with other remote viewers;
in person. with project managers or researchers, and even in preparation
to go on to train elsewhere.
This approach is based on a system of psychic development
created by Lewis Bostwick in the early 1960’s to help people By the end of the class most students will know whether or
whom he identified as “sick” psychics and “out of control” not the more disciplined, labour intensive approach to CRV, or
healers. There is a strong focus on meditation, grounding, the more sleepy deep state of ERV, or the more social oriented
bio energetic concepts and deprogramming one’s own belief and fun realm or ARV, is something they want to pursue and
system that may stand in the way of clear perceptions and where to go to pursue one of these or all of them. They will
one’s own personal empowerment. There is also a focus on also understand different ways to summarize sessions and
what I call “energetic health maintenance” which teaches how to present themselves and their remote viewing sessions
students how to set and maintain firmer boundaries. in a professional manner to prepare them to work with others.
So they learn how to adequately move information from their
My books were the first to reveal these techniques to the minds, to their paper, to their camera phone to their computer
general public, building on them and emphasizing what I and then to whom ever may request the information, in as
have personally found to be most important gleaned from my efficient and professional manner as possible.
own intensive practice as a professional clairvoyant, student
and teacher. I was also one of the first (along with a friend These days if you can’t learn how to work with technology
Francine Marie) to offer clairvoyant programs via tele-seminar you really aren’t going to be effective as a remote viewer or
platforms, through my school the International School of clairvoyant unless you are the one or two people in the world
Clairvoyance, although there are now others offering online who are fortunate enough to work in an actual research lab.
training as well. Even then, that can only last for so long. I also really try to
help students understand issues involved in remote viewing
Remote Viewing, which to share Ingo Swann’s definition, is project management such as judging/rating sessions, target
“a particular protocol” that makes use of psychic functioning construction, selection, and the myriad of variables that make
(Swann, 1993), differs from Clairvoyant Reading and Healing formal projects challenging so they can at least start thinking
quite significantly in both approach and subject matter. The about these things as they move forward in their work with
focus of Remote Viewing is on obtaining information related others.
to the material world as far as locations, objects, events,
photos, videos, and people who often are not asking to be Why do you use a mixed methods approach to
perceived. Whereas the approach of clairvoyant reading and your remote viewing work and in what you teach?
healing I teach relies heavily on formulating symbols that
then become the representation of what ever is needed to be These styles comprise much of everything I’ve learned and
known, all forms of remote viewing seeks to directly perceive integrated into my practice and found to be personally useful
the outside environment as is (or as closely as possible), rather for myself and others. I think of my overall repertoire as a tool
than in symbolic form, as symbols can so easily be confused shed with each of these approaches as being a tool box filled
with literal objects. Remote Viewing also makes much greater with many useful techniques, concepts, and theories that can
use of physical tools such as paper, sketching utensils, etc. be used in concert with each other, or mixed and matched as
needed.
My 12 week “Practical Remote Viewing” class offers an
eclectic, well rounded, introductory approach to the subject Controlled Remote Viewing (CRV) methodology is a heavy
(with the goal of bringing all students to as high a level of duty tool set that Ingo Swann intended to be used per strict
performance, functioning, and professionalism as possible) instructions, specifically for the purpose of reducing analytic
and is taught in a 3 hour highly interactive small group format overlay. He didn’t believe this was necessary to follow in order
via webinar. A major goal is helping students to understand to be psychic, but he developed it with the end goal in mind
and appreciate remote viewing’s historical and scientific for military remote viewers to produce a report containing as
foundations that sets it apart from all other forms of psychic few errors as possible in it, regardless of what was happening
work and places it sometimes within an awkward tug of internally. However, CRV can be cumbersome and get in the
war between a parapsychological and operational (real life way of an easier flow of information.
applications) framework.
There are times when I find that I’d rather lay down and not
Students gain this understanding through doing exercises in be distracted by writing, move into a deeper state and speak
the vein of the early researchers from Sinclair to Warcollier directly into a tape recorder, more in alignment with Extended
to Rhine to Swann to present day practices. My RV 12 week Remote Practice.
program smorgasbord of techniques, concepts, skill set,
demonstrations and exercises designed to give most students Meanwhile, If I have an ARV trial to do for someone, I’ll just
everything they need to know to go out and begin or continue do maybe a “down and dirty” session but still make use of

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aspects in inherent in these other’s methods. If I need to find like they are going to go so deeply into this practice as I’m
something my husband has lost that is likely still in or around describing above.
the house, I may only need to sit down quietly for a minute
or so, imagine I’m moving to the lost item, tell myself to What motivates you to want to teach?
look around and images will arrive that help find the missing
object. However, if this missing object was in an area unknown Other than having spontaneous psi based experiences as a
to others who were searching for something, CRV might really child (which I attribute to having an identical twin sister who
be the exact approach to pick up. was open to these topics) I had absolutely no idea how to make
use of my psychic perceptual abilities in any controlled way
Sometimes I use the methods from my clairvoyant reading and until I embarked on an indepth, year long, rather expensive
healing practice to get started with a remote viewing session course of training when I was 27 years old. I was fortunate
as well although these alone often are not exactly enough for to be in the right place and time in my life to be to train in
remote viewing tasks. this manner. Therefore, I wholeheartedly wanted to open up
opportunities for others to do the same: opportunities that
So I want my students to have the same flexibility and to include not just learning how to access information for others,
adjust their approaches to whomever they are working with, but that enable students to get more in touch with their own
in the plethora of circumstances that remote viewers find internal self guidance; that help them learn how to do this
themselves in. work in as safe and healthy manner as possible, and that help
them to connect with other like minded people.
I was in a research project with Stanley Kripner and Alan Quan
who wanted me to wear a blindfold and be in the dark for Can you briefly outline who taught you, any
half my sessions as they were supposedly testing lighting
training In RV that you had or experience that has
conditions. So since I couldn’t use paper (tried, way too messy
with the blindfold) my CRV structure had to be thrown out the made you a remote viewing trainer?
window and I employed another technique of simply looking
The following includes clairvoyant teachers, healing teachers,
at a blank screen. I was resistant to the blindfold at first but
OBE teachers, remote viewing teachers: David Pierce, John
now I tend to use it quite a bit, both for clairvoyant readings
Fulton, Robert Skillman, Chris Murphy, Michael Tamura,
and for ERV type of remote viewing sessions.
Jun Labo, William Nonog, William Bulman, Richard Bartlett,
I was in another year long project Dick Bierman and Ed May as Ed Dames, Dr Wayne Carr, Mike and Susan Van Atta, Lyn
the rater. Ed who would get annoyed if I sent him more than a Bunchanan, Lori Williams, Coleen Marenich, John Herlosky,
list of 10 words or so and a few sketches (and he has a personal Joe McMoneagle, and many others.
dislike for CRV even though I don’t feel like he understands or
cares much about which aspects are useful), so regardless of Whereabouts in the world do you teach?
how I conducted the session, I needed to put it together in a
It’s funny because when I named my current school the
form that worked for him.
International School of Clairvoyance, I had recently moved
I was in another project with James Spottiswoode involving from Sedona, AZ to Southern California, and I felt like it wasn’t
target types (photos of objects as opposed to locations) that really accurate to add “international” into the name. But every
I had never worked with before, so again, adjustments were year it continues to earn that name more and more as I am
needed. truly interfacing with students on a weekly basis “world wide”.

Lori Williams, one of my CRV teachers, once emailed a group of These days most of my classes are taught via webinar-
us with an urgent request to find a missing boy and a deadline teleseminar, although I continue to offer some in person
for within the hour. I was about to go in for an MRI. So all workshops, these are limited while I’m attending graduate
my approaches went out the window as I did my session from school at University of West Georgia. Right at this moment, I’m
inside the MRI machine. (I actually got a lot of clear images teaching four different 12 week classes via either webinar or
and information in there that later corresponded with the teleseminar. Typically half my students are from the U.S. and
feedback we received when he was found soon after). Canada, the other are from places around the world such as:
U.K, Australia, France, Germany, Mexico, Portugal, Pakistan,
So another thing I always want to impress upon my students Israel, Saudi Arabia, Nepal, Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Poland,
is they must be able to remain flexible, and available to show Greece, Congo, Africa.
up immediately in any situation making any adjustment to any
protocol. The beauty of being intuitive is you can always use Last year I did spend 10 days teaching in the country of Belarus,
your intuition to tune in and discover “what do I need to do near Russia, and I recently taught workshops in Chicago and
right now to get what is needed?”, but it’s easier to do that South Carolina and I’ll also be teaching for a day or two in
once you have an idea of what “tuning in” even means. That’s Hawaii this year.
where some guidance helps, even for those who don’t feel

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What web based platforms do you use for your who come from developing countries - and particularly for
classes? students who come from underrepresented countries who
can demonstrate they are already in helping professions aiding
For my remote viewing training, I like to use [Link] disadvantaged people (like my new student from the Congo
as it has really easy to use and comprehensive screen sharing or my student from Nepal). I also often give full scholarships
capabilities, including a white board feature that allows me to those who are between the ages of 18 and 21 (for those
to demonstrate ideograms, sketching, mapping, and other who ask). I also have a running scholarships offer in my remote
RV techniques. I need programs that give me the freedom to viewing class for academic based parapsychologists, but not
be spontaneous and quickly cycle between various features one has yet taken me up on this yet!
for sharing feedback photos, videos, or powerpoint and word
documents. While gotomeeting and webex are great, they Why are your clairvoyant reading and healing
don’t seem to allow for recording video along with the audio, classes more expensive then your remote viewing
or as easily produce an mp3 audio recording as [Link] does. classes?
Zoom also allows for breakout rooms, chatting, polling, etc.
There are additional practice opportunities that come with
However, for my clairvoyant reading classes where my the clairvoyant classes, students can retake classes for free,
students need to break into smaller groups to practice on each and a lot of my clairvoyant students go onto start their own
other, I prefer the polling and breakout features of maestro professional practices, some right away, some off in the future,
conference’s audio teleconferencing program. For these so many potentially will earn their money back. Remote
clairvoyant based classes I only use audio, as feedback comes Viewers tend to not make as much money (although the
in the form of conversation rather then visual pictures. Also, potential is certainly there for those specializing in finding lost
I try to keep these students in a meditative state throughout objects). Also I’ve been teaching the clairvoyant classes for a
the duration of the whole class, so rather then sharing my long time, they are the subject of my three books, and am
screen, I want them to focus entirely on the internal “screens”. quite confident that I can offer training that is going to launch
students faster and farther then they could ever conceive of in
Approx how many students have you taught? a very short time – whether that launching has to do with their
intuitive abilities, or their creativity or what ever their healing
As far as my 12 week teleseminar and webinar classes, I’ve goals are. This type of work is truly transformational.
had a lot more clairvoyant reading and healing students
then remote viewing students, but when you combine these While I’m confident I can move most of my remote
together I’d say I’ve had about 600 separate students over viewing students to a much higher level of functioning and
the years with a lot of these coming back for other kinds of performance in their remote viewing practice than when they
classes to average about 100 students a year who actually started the class (particularly brand new ones), I think remote
graduate from a longer term program). I’d say I’ve taught viewing works on a less rigorously personal level. I mean sure,
another 2000 students if you count all those who attended the students perceptual abilities will increase, they will learn more
lectures and workshops I’ve offered at expos, book signings, about themselves and the world around them, they will learn
and conferences over the past two decades. My how to based to recognize information flowing between their conscious and
books have sold hundreds of thousands of copies in addition unconscious and so get much better acquainted with these
to all those available at librariesl and I also have several audio aspects of themselves, but they kinds of experiences they have
courses so these have probably reached quite a few people will be different as we are focused on more scientific methods
as well in the remote viewing classes then on spirituality, and also we
focus less on meditative techniques. Therefore tuition is less
Can you outline the cost of your training? for these classes even though they actually require a lot more
time on my part as far as preparing practice targets, reviewing
My tuition fluctuates, but as of today, the listed tuition for my students home work assignments, etc.
12 week clairvoyant Level One and Two Classes is $1500. For
my 12 week remote viewing class it is $900 (these are with What do you say to people who think that psi
early bird discounts but most everyone qualifies as I’m a
sucker for extending discounts).
related services, whether readings, remote
viewing sessions or training should be offered free
I’d also say about half of my students also receive additional of charge?
discounts, including partial to full need based scholarships
or work/study/assistantship arrangements and many receive The idea that its ok to charge for any other kind of training/
discounted payment arrangements (I never charge interest). I educational program or service or product, but not from an
offer substantial discounts (including free tuition on a limited intuitive based training or service is just ridiculous, as well as
basis) for students who are receiving SSI, for those who have completely insensitive to those who make great sacrifices to
disabilities, for those who are in the military, and for those teach and work with clients. No one would have the nerve to

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suggest anyone in any other profession should work for free, covers less traditional aspects of clairvoyance such as
including those in public service jobs or who work for non clairvoyant healing and visual manifestation work. All
profit organizations. (I mean if some trainers want to teach for classes are taught live by Debra. Class sizes are small
free that is absolutely wonderful. But I can’t personally afford and highly interactive. Weekly opportunities for practice
to do that as I’d need to go get a full time job and then not (with volunteers, not other other students) are provided
have time to teach what I love). - in addition to the classroom session. Additionally,
Debra is truly gifted teacher - gentle, encouraging and
I’ve heard researchers criticize remote viewing trainers for effective. She has a special ability to pick up on core
the prices they charge, despite the fact that they do very little issues (which may be quite subtle) whenever a student
that is not funded either through grants or annual salaries is struggling and provide discerning feedback and
that far exceed those of the general public. I’ve even been insight - something that just isn’t possible in a large or
told by researchers that remote viewers should be willing to prerecorded class. This course is ideal for those wishing
participate in research without receiving credit (its considered to work as as professional clairvoyant reader or healer or
“ethical” in psychology research to hide “subjects” identities, anyone who wants to bring this very valuable life skill into
without even asking them if they want this) and that they their own everyday experience”
should be willing to help out of “the goodness of their hearts”
– meanwhile those very same researchers will go onto retire, - Barbara, G. Pittston, PA
set for life with pensions and funding they secured only
because they were allowed to be recognized for their own Here are some pages with lots of testimonials:
contributions.
[Link]
Also money actually helps ground the entire experience [Link]
and often sets apart those who are serious, dedicated and
disciplined from those who are not. (The majority of those
who miss classes or don’t complete programs are those I’ve Do you remote view yourself or do you just teach?
given scholarships or assistantships to). I assure you this is a
trend that all practitioners discover, usually just right before Yes I am a professional clairvoyant and remote viewer. On
they move to practicing for free to charging for their services. average I have consistently spent between 5 to 20 hours
a week engaged in intuitive work for the past 25 years.
While some say it is unfair to deny those who really want to According to my calculations, a very moderate estimate would
learn but can’t afford to do so, these days, there are dozens come to 13,000 hours of intentional, intuitive based work. This
of remote viewing books, organizations, free websites and does not include my teaching time when I also go into altered
resources, and people offering instruction via webinar, social states, or meditation time or dreaming time spent on various
media, etc. It just requires students to be more self motivated psi related endeavours.
and creative. That being said, I personally never want to turn
anyone away who has an intensive burning desire to learn Are there any published or online examples where
about their own potential and that’s why I offer the above people can see of your remote viewing projects or
scholarships, discounts, work study opportunities, etc. But do work?
I think all RV teachers should or need to do this? No. Still, it
never hurts to ask and to be persistent with whom ever you Yes you can see some here:
want to work wtih. Most psychic development teachers I know [Link]
will be flexible if they know a student is really devoted and will
put in the personal time. Does training In RV guarantee that I will become a
remote viewer?
Could you share two or three student testimonials?
My first response to this question was if you remote view, you
“I’m a current student at The International School of are a remote viewer and if you want to know how to remote
Clairvoyance (in my second and final session) and have view, then why wouldn’t you do what anyone else on this
read all of Debra’s books. I find Debra’s approach unique planet does when they want to know how to do anything?
for several reason. 1. She believes that everyone can Find out – from someone else with some experience – and
learn to do clairvoyant readings and this is obvious preferably a lot of people with a lot of difference experiences
in her approach to teaching. 2. Debra’s method is and then go practice and never stop practicing different and
structured. By this I mean that she supplies specific more challenging tasks as you begin to master the earlier ones.
steps to psychic development. When practiced these
steps work! 3. Her approach is comprehensive. Debra But then I realized that maybe the person asking this question
doesn’t only focus on teaching the student how to do really meant to ask “does RV training guarantee I’ll have
a standard professional (or informative reading), she psychic experiences, as in accessing information with psi

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related perception?”. My answer to this is the training alone So all this intuitive work is not just about the psychic
won’t guarantee this, but if the training includes practice and perceptions, it’s also about preparing oneself mentally,
you are willing to practice both in and out of class and do what emotionally, and physically so that we can be calm, clear,
ever it takes, you will absolutely get to experience your own stable enough to perceive the information and share it in a
natural psychic perception. No one would want to keep up courageous way. Since birth we have all mostly received
with remote viewing if they didn’t see evidence of that. I fully repeated messages – “be careful about what you say before
expect that my students will have a mixture of correct and you say it”, “Be logical”, “its just your imagination”. In remote
incorrect information in their transcripts within even the first viewing or clairvoyant work – these are the first types of
few exercises we do, particularly if we start with targets that programmed messages they come up against and some just
are easier than others as far as out bounder type locations, or cannot get past them. It’s not the psychic part of a person
compelling and dynamic photographs. Sometimes I start with that is the problem, it’s all the other parts drowning that part
these, but sometimes not. out. Some people have more work to do this in the area then
others.
Do you ever have students who are very blocked
or just basically suck at remote viewing. This is why those who have already spent a lot of time working
on themselves through other personal growth processes tend
Yes to the blocked part and as far as sucking – yes, initially, and to excel at these types of tasks.
for those who just drop out they will always suck until they get
back into practicing and learning – whether that learning is on Where can I reach you on:
their own, with myself or another teacher. In every class there
is usually one person who struggles to some degree more [Link]
then everyone else. For someone particularly blocked, they
[Link]
may need to retake a class and practice more then everyone
else. That’s why my students can always retake a class at no [Link]
extra charge as long as its being offered.
[Link]
I had a student who was behind everyone. He really struggled.
He retook most of my classes several times, he also went and Email:debra@[Link]
trained with others, and he didn’t give up. And I started to
notice something striking. He wouldn’t speak up and share
as often as others, but when he did….Wow! Crystal Clear
accuracy. Doesn’t mean he doesn’t still have moments of fear Debra, I also asked a within a few Facebook RV
or doubt or resistance to the entire act of reading others - but groups, covering approx 4-5,000 people, if anyone
when he shares something its often spot on. In fact, he’s now had any questions that they would like asked of
an assistant teacher in some of my classes.
trainers and these were:
Most students who struggle do so not because they aren’t
psychic, but because of internal, psychological, emotional
issues and resistances and a lack of will. Some of those who
Paige Turner - What is the most important first
come into my clairvoyant reading classes can’t handle the
stress of speaking up to another person on the phone as they concept to learn with remote viewing?
are afraid of being wrong, afraid of hurting their feelings,
The most important concept hands down it to practice the art
afraid of seeing something disrobing, afraid of sounding silly,
of observing without needing to know. Your job is to simply
afraid of bothering the other students.
observe, not to know. The goal is not and can not be to name
What does any of that have to do with one’s actual psi the target while you are in session, or to try to understand
abilities? It’s not the psi ability that’s a problem, it’s the what it is, or figure out even what’s going on. Start and end
internal environment of the person that is getting in the way a session always by reminding yourself very firmly that your
of it. Psi perception is very subtle. It requires a calm, focused, job is very simply, to observe, describe and report. Knowing is
attitude. So for someone with all that fear and emotion it’s not your enemy. Logic doesn’t enter into it until the entire sessions
just going to help to just practice, they are going to need to do is done.
some pretty heavy duty inner/personal transformation work
Also, this is not about making connections between your first
as well. Some who are so socially introverted or awkward with
impression to the next. The art of doing remote viewing or any
very low self esteem should not even be trying to do readings
psi task involves letting each impression stand on its own and
on others, however, they could make excellent remote
yet here is the paradox – every former impression particularly
viewers, unless the fears translate to communicating on paper
the visuals, but sounds, textures, movement too - can be
in terms of being fearful of being wrong, judged, etc.
probed to solicit more information, but in probing them you

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enter into the dangerous territory of trying to figure them out opportunity to do so. Of course this doesn’t mean I don’t
or then making logic connections between what you saw first appreciate my more introverted students, or that I won’t do all
and what you saw next. These should be recorded together on that I can within the parameters of the class to get the quieter
the page but not logically connected. ones to speak up.

Also remember to always interact with the target with your Stephen Karam - What role has ideology played
body. Bring yourself there in your imagination, or bring it to in learning remote viewing, and who are remote
you and keep touching, hugging it, smelling it, what ever you
viewers? Are they atheists, Christians, Muslims,
need to do to get it to give you impressions you can record.
Also, keep moving around the target (in your imagination), as Buddhists...? What kind of mindset makes a
every time you move, a new flow of information comes in. In successful remote viewer?
real life when we stomp up and down we get a reaction as in
our feet sinks into the ground, we hear our heels tap, sand flies Hi Stephen, I have noticed no trend as far as remote viewers
up. When we knock on a door it opens, or it breaks or it makes religious backgrounds. What I have noticed is those who have
a sound. This is all we are doing in remote viewing. Think of the mindset that they will work hard, train hard, practice
yourself as a detective, but one that is not deducing, only hard, for how ever long it takes, in a disciplined manner, do
collecting data through interacting with the target location the best. Most people talk about Ingo Swann as someone
and with your paper. Tell your logical mind it must remain who had extraordinary innate powers. What they don’t know
quiet until you are finished and at the end you’ll allow it free is that in a single year he did over 17,000 psi related trials.
rein when its actually time to move into assessment mode. He completed hundreds of thousands ofImage - Credit: ESO/M. Kornmessera
trials during the
course of his life. Some of these were more in depth sessions
Finally, upgrade your imagination from “just my imagination” some of them were forced choice, very quick tasks (akin to
to having Godly status. Your imagination is a sacred, highly describing ESP cards). Most people don’t know that Ingo had
functional canvas upon which information from the outside already done already done hundreds of hours of practice
flows to show you what ever you want or need to know. Treat sessions in multiple research labs, receiving guidance from
it with respect. Notice what’s happening in there. That doesn’t people like Janet Mitchel and Gertrude Schmeidler, prior
mean you should interpret what happens in there on a literal to even coming to Stanford Research Institute. Ingo worked
level - not at all – but it does mean that you should recognize his ass off constantly to improve his own skills, and he saw
that it comes with a high tech surround sound system built improvement in most tasks he or others around him were
in there just waiting for you to show up and pay attention to doing. This is what gave him confidence that even those who
what’s going on in there. I find students that are unwilling were not known to be “gifted” natural psychics could learn to
to give their imagination a chance because its silly, childish, do this work. The same thing could be said of Joe McMoneagle
foolish, illogical, not only having a much harder time with who has frequently called remote viewing “a martial art”. Both
intuitive work, but they tend to also be sadder people. these men were very psychic, but you would never know their
names if they hadn’t had the ability to be extremely focused,
Jill Brown - Do you ‘connect’ with some students self-disciplined, and preserver in the face of adversity, which
more than others. If so why? was unrelenting in the environment they operated in. David
Morehouse’s book “Psychic Warrior” is aptly named. You
Hi Jill, Absolutely, and I’m glad you asked. The answer is very have to have a warrior mind set when it comes to any kind of
simple and its true not just for my remote viewing classes ongoing psychic work. Your enemies will always emerge just
but the undergraduate intro to psychology classes I recently when you thought you eliminated them – these include your
started teaching at the university level. The students I connect own doubts, insecurities, fear, ego and all the other people
with (as in the ones I think about, remember, pay more who are projecting these onto you as well.
attention to, enjoy, etc.,) are the ones who speak up. They
are the ones who ask questions, who share their thoughts, One of my top performing students right now, who is also
whether in class or in emails and sometimes both. my webmaster, runs triathlons, she is a nurse but also was
training to be a professional cyclist. Whatever characteristics
I fully understand this is hard for some students who are shy. would come with a person who can withstand all that comes
I was so painfully shy for half my life, I totally relate – but the with doing extreme activities that bring one to the limit, are
ones who can speak up are just more memorable. That is why those that benefit people doing psi related tasks like remote
I would suggest for any student of any discipline – always viewing, because these tasks require extreme focus under
come up with at least one question per class to ask – or one highly stressful conditions sometime. This is the premise for
experience to share. It doesn’t matter what it is, or if you don’t my second book, “Extraordinary Psychic” The extraordinary
sound like you know what you are talking about, just speak up. part is not so much about the psi as it is the personality that
Teachers love questions, they make our jobs so much easier comes with it.
and also challenge us in so many ways, forcing us to have to
think on our feet, and so we love students who give us that

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Ray McClure - What freely available material is master the new tasks (then they will often move way beyond
provided by the trainer after training? where they were before) but that period of going back to
feeling inept, or realizing that they aren’t going to be put on a
Hi Ray, my Student/Webmaster Natalie and I recently created pedestal because I don’t subscribe to “gifted” psychic model,
hundreds of unique, practice targets for all remote viewers could be threatening. However, usually what they discover is
to use individually, for projects, etc. These are available for more room than they had in years to just play, and let go of
everyone, free of charge (not just my students). the seriousness of it all (which is usually at the source of their
troubles). Also experienced psychics love learning new things
[Link] and that’s why many get very excited learning remote viewing,
it opens up a whole new world, where as before they were
Nigel Mullett - Is there any session examples available from starting to think what they were focused on and how they
the trainer and/or from their students? focused on it, “was all there is”.

Hi Nigel, Yes, check out this page for two recent montoring So my job is to make sure everyone is and remains appropriately
sessions I did with students at the end of their 12 week challenged, but not so challenged they are going to move
training with me: into stress or stay within what I’d call “invalidation mode” for
too long. For those that are clearly progressing or showing a
[Link] high level of aptitude, I’m going to raise my expectations for
them as far as level of detail, level of accuracy, and level of
Here are some examples from my own sessions: professionalism. I may assign them a leadership role in the
class as well. For those that are moving more slowly, I’m going
[Link] to give them extra attention. Both students at either end of
the spectrum can learn a lot from each other and that’s why I
Rid Oneight - What do you do to get to know love teaching in a group format.
your student, in particular when it comes to each
student’s unique challenges? Do you identify the Linda Brakefield Spellman – Have you been
handicaps and talents of each student and if so, approached by the government?
what do you do to help students become better?
No, but if I was I’d have lots of recommendations for them.
Hi Rid, the student’s talents challenges and handicaps emerge
as we discuss their sessions, as they ask questions and as I Tee A Woowoo - What side effects in daily life have
review their work and in some email conversations outside been generally reported by students after learning
of class quite often. I like to work intuitively, meaning I try and practicing remote viewing? For example: has
to stay present with sensing the energy level of the group – daily intuition and precognition become stronger?
making decisions about exercises, target types, how we are
going to work, as we go along, so I can be responsive to group
Has perception of reality changed? How?
and individual needs. This doesn’t mean I’m closely evaluating Absolutely! Most that I work with report having an increase
every single students performance at every moment – but it in daily intuition and precognition and empathic responses to
does mean I may lose sleep if one student is lagging behind the others. As far as perceptions, they report noticing much about
others and I can’t figure out how to help them. It also means their environment they didn’t notice before. They also notice
that I will invite those that are excelling to participate in other a difference in dreaming patterns as well.
projects I have going on as well or refer them out.

Part of the reason I have so many techniques at my disposal

Dale Apfel - To what extent is your teaching
is because I had to adjust what I was doing to accommodate influenced by your personal religious beliefs?
students with different learning styles or who were falling
I believe in God in kind of a spiritual-technological sense –
behind or moving forward very quickly or whom needed some
God is a higher power that is essentially an energy source
spot training. For example, I started working with professional
we can literally tap into and draw from for empowerment. I
psychics or mediums who were interested in developing their
believe in life after death. I believe that the most miraculous,
specific visual ability of clairvoyance, as well as those were
unexplainable, crazy, impossible thing is US – it’s us as humans
hitting some sudden bumps in their practice and suffering
living this insane, messy, weird, uncomfortable, bizarre life with
from performance anxiety, and so I needed to learn how to
these very crazy, freaky things called “bodies” and because of
accommodate them, without causing my newer students
that something as simple and tiny as having psychic related
to feel threated by the differences in skill level. Professional
perception, or being able to influence matter with ones mind
psychics sometimes have strong ego’s to contend with –
are just so insignificant compared to the inexplicable mystery
in that they feel threatened with new challenges that are
of us as humans on this earth. It is really surprising then that
invariably going to make them look less proficient until they

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anyone would raise an eyebrow about these tiny intuitive to books can help if you take advantage of these free or low
things when you put it into this perspective and therefore it cost resources, which by the way still come with some level of
makes it way easier to conceive that we can do these things. guidance as everyone I mentioned above is always willing to
While I am technically Jewish (not sure how that impacts me answer questions.
except no one ever told me I couldn’t explore these topics) I
believe my open minded approach of one should have beliefs That being said, one thing I think newer people need to look
but always be ready at a moment’s notice to re-examine them out for is that it is possible to do a remote viewing target
and discard them, makes it easier for myself and my students and get stuck in the emotion involved in it and then end the
to have success in areas that many others are closed off to. session not knowing you are still stuck in something that was
part of the target (like an emotional state or thought form) or
Do you ever remote view perspective students? that got stimulated in yourself. This doesn’t happen often but
can. So I think if people are offering video courses they need
No. I’m way too busy to do that and I don’t believe in invading to include instructions as far as how to get unstuck, protect
people’s privacy unless there is a very good reason to do so one self, and heal one self or that’s something a student who
such as in solving a crime – or figuring out why a guy hasn’t is in the process of training themselves should seek out. I
called back for a date when he said he would. You know, really talk a lot about this in my first book, “You Are Psychic: The
important things like that. Art of Clairvoyant Reading and Healing” which I wrote prior
to getting heavily into remote viewin, but that really can
That being said however, occasionally there are times where complement any remote viewing practice.
I just think about someone like as in, “Oh, I forgot to email
so and so back, hope they aren’t upset” and then I get some Richard Krankoski - What kind of stats do you
kind of download about them. But that’s unintentional. Still, keep? Do you participate in any research?
that’s why I say there really is no such thing as ultimate privacy
because this is something we all do from time to time, just a I participate in a lot of research as an experimenter and as
lot don’t realize the source of their thoughts. The other thing a research subject. However, I have only recently embarked
that makes me laugh when I hear people get nervous about on performing tests of my own students. I am currently doing
me possibly tuning into what they are thinking is that we all pre-tests and post tests with my current remote viewing
project onto others what we assume they are thinking anyway, class and these results will be published either as part of my
and these projections, which more often than not are false, dissertation or in the near future.
would do way more damage most of the time then what ever
we might tap into that is actually true. That’s why I’d rather Ray McCluire - How do you teach students to score
people actually know what I’m thinking then imagine all sorts their sessions?
of things that I am not. But that’s just me.
I advise students to do a thorough feedback sessions, to circle
Nigel Mullett - Do you do a online course or is it just a everything that matches and to examine closely what worked
classroom environment? and what didn’t work. I also sometimes will invite them to
sketch out what they wished they would have sketched upon
Most of my classes are online classroom interactive seeing their feedback so they can imprint into subconscious
environments taught via webinar or teleseminar as outlined what is expected of it.
at the start of this interview.
How do you keep track of scoring sessions so
Ruth Nofchissey - What kind of difficulties might you can keep records to learn from failures and
arise from learning RV from a video like you tube? successes?
Many students can do well from reading how to books or I do not keep track of student’s scores because they are
watching videos. Many others however do better working students and what would I do with these scores if I kept track
with a living person who will give them tasks to complete and of them? I can remember who impressed me and who did
provide practice opportunities. There are however ways to get not, and part of what impresses me isn’t just occasional or
that outside of working with an instructor. For example, you frequent stellar sessions but how easy and pleasant they were
can join the International Remote Viewing Association (IRVA) to work with.
and they have practice targets of the month. Alexis Poquiz on
the large remote viewing facebook group offers free practice More importantly, what ever their score is at the beginning
of the month targets. Daz Smith also sometimes offers these of class will not (or should not) be the same at the end. Nor
through his facebook group. There are lots of ways to get should it be the same in three months, six months, three
involved in associative remote viewing projects where you will years, six years or 30 years. So it is unfair and limiting to score
learn a lot through the Applied Precognition Project run by someone in order to place a definition of them that is going to
Marty Rosenblatt as well. So watching videos and reading how hedge them into some kind of box that makes them think they

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aren’t and therefore will never be good at a particular thing, Also, is there anything about the protocol that you
when in my own experience as a remote viewer I know that might still sometimes have difficulty with?
I have gotten very proficient at things I initially sucked at. So
if I am not good at a particular kind of target, it’s that kind of Well I have had mixed feelings about identifying/naming my
target I need to keep working at, perhaps even exclusively for Stage one gestalts in the A/B sequence. On the one hand, I
a while. have quite high accuracy with identifying my ideograms, on
the other hand, anything you name could then be analytic
This is why I set up somewhat unusual categories, including overlay. However, in going through Ingo Swann’s archives I just
animal targets, on my website pages feature practice targets discovered that the way he taught it at least to Tom Mcnear,
– so if a remote viewer feels like they get a sense of an animal is you should never guess at your gestalt – so you leave your
being at a location but not the correct animal, which is B blank if it’s not immediately clear to you what gestalt your
common, well they should go do 500 animal targets and then ideogram is giving you. I really like that idea which I literally
reassess things. These practice targets can be found at: learned last week, as I was taught that we were supposed to
force ourselves to guess at them (those of us who have gone
[Link]
through the formal route of ideogram training)
Joe Kleinberg - After Remote Viewing, what is the Also, while I love and advocate the stage 6 tools regarding
next level up? mapping (as in drawing numbers around a shape, or the entire
location and probing each number) I have a strong dislike for
What is there after remote viewing? The practice never ends. I dowsing at this time, and so I don’t teach it. I don’t feel like
think it’s imperative to the field that people start honing their it works for me, it just doesn’t feel like it belongs in a remote
abilities to describe letters and numbers and words and get viewing protocol. But I know some really love it and swear
over the mind set this is impossible or too hard to do. Jon by it, and I’ve also seen people get very close to identifying
Knowles, my buddy and the author of the new book, Remote spots on the map by combining remote viewing and dowsing.
Viewing From the Groud Up (2017) is currently doing research That’s why I call what I cover regarding CRV in my classes an
in this area and myself and friend Michelle Bulgatz have introduction to the subject – as I leave some components out
started formulating some experimental designs for studying that other teachers would definitely cover.
this as well.
Richard Krankoski - What is your view of esoteric
For myself personally, in addition to remote viewing, I have
only recently embarked on practicing my PK skills on a daily targets?
basis without a great deal of success yet, although some weird
I think in moderation esoteric targets can be very cool on
things are happening around here, so not recommending this
a very personal level as they allow us to learn about things
for everyone – particularity if you own your own home and
we otherwise couldn’t know about ourselves and the inner
have to pay for your own repairs! I am keeping a blog on my
workings of the universe. Of course I use the term “learn”
personal PK journey as things progress (hopefully!) which can
loosely, as this knowing may not be complete, entirely
be read at [Link].
accurate, etc.
Jamie Sexton - Was there a particular part of the I’ve learned about the source of viruses, about God, about
(CRV) protocol that you had difficulty learning and the nature of angels, about the connection between mental
what did you do to help overcome this? illnesses and possession, of orbs, of the future of the planet,
about Planet X, from being assigned these as targets, often
Hi Jamie as far as CRV – there are certain acronyms that are via blind or double blind procedures. I share these examples
counter intuitive to me (i.e. “Stray Cat”) I can’t ever remember because most of these would probably also be interesting to
what the letters represent and that is irritating. Stage 5 tools many other viewers. What I don’t like is being assigned targets
seem to be filled with these words. I have a policy that if I that are esoteric that are of personal interest to the tasker but
don’t understand something (which usually means I’m not not at all to me. So I think taskers need to be really careful of
finding it useful) then I won’t teach it. Therefore I’ve modified this which isn’t easy to know since they can’t come out and
the stage 5 tools and narrowed them into a single tool that ask the viewer what they think if they are trying to adhere to
can be done outside of a session (as during a break or at the having blind protocols.
end) or within the session – which basically is taking two or
more AOL’s, and breaking down the individual components Igor Grigc, an experienced ARV project manager and author
into similarities. Like in a session if you got horse, dog, cow of ARV studio Software, recently gave me a blind target that
– what are the common dynameters? Brown, docile, animals, was later revealed to be seeking information about, “why did
alive, fur, four legs, tails, maybe farm. So these are the words a particular remote viewer (whom I know) have displacement
I’d include in the session and throw out the others words as for an ARV target?” . I was so excited, and thought this was an
probably analytic overlay. absolutely brilliant target to give to me since they know I’ve

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been studying the problem of displacement in ARV projects my dissertation as well. Not sure yet. Will know soon.
for years. However, for another viewer or psychic who hasn’t
been studying this, it would probably be quite annoying to Also, sometimes I do ask students to fill out a questionnaire at
receive something like this. I truly gained more insight into the the end of class. I intend to start having all my classes fill out
displacement question due to being tasked this. Of course I such questionnaires moving forward.
can’t prove these insights are correct just yet, but now they
can help form a new working hypothesis I may be able to test It is important to keep in mind as far as formal assessments,
in the future if time permits. That’s what “esoteric” targets that the teacher isn’t necessarily the best person to do the
can do. assessing. Students often want to say nice things to make the
teacher feel good. Also, its natural for other researchers to
Of course we do also need to be careful with an esoteric target doubt claims of success if a person might benefit from these
that we aren’t simply describing the taskers ideas about the claims as far as financially or personally. That’s why those
target rather then the target itself. who are concerned about assessments (particularly those
with training and background in formal assessments), rather
Stewart Edwards - How do you measure the than calling out teachers for not assessing themselves, should
effectiveness of your training? instead be offering to assist or do the assessments themselves.
I’m sure some would be interested in this, while others would
Well there are two kinds of measuring – quantitate and not be.
qualitative.
What due diligence do you do to ensure that you are
Qualitatively: Every time I teach, even if it’s a 3 hour workshop not training foreign spies, terrorists or criminals? (I
giving participants three different targets – I notice quite know in reality that would be extremely difficult,
a huge difference with many students who share their
but one would assume that trainers at least think
transcripts, make comments and ask questions, between the
first and second, and the second and third. In a 12 week class, about such things).
I see some students progressing from week to week (again via
Well Stewart, how do I know you aren’t a foreign Spy? I mean
looking at their transcripts and in talking to them), others may
you are from the UK and look a little like Sean Connery….
lag behind and then suddenly have that stellar session.
hmmm, and I gave you the key to our remote viewing targets
In general, what is immediately apparent is that many for that project last year….
students start off with a majority of AOL’s in their sessions,
Seriously though, with all the other things I have to worry
and over time, with instruction, move to having a majority of
about in my life, this is the last one. I’m much more worried
descriptors. Other indicators of progress is when they move
about attracting stalkers, or people who think I’m implanting
from having more correct information then incorrect. having
thoughts into their brains (there are quite a few people who
no sketches to many, and when they move from having more
read my books and think this, even though I’ve never met
organized, neater, sessions that are turned in as requested. I
them or have given them a moment’s thought). Bottom line,
see progress when I hear students discussing concepts they
what ever I might teach someone with nefarious intentions
didn’t know the meaning of before. I see progress when I hear
is so benign compared to whatever they are going to do if
about how they got together outside of class to practice with
they get hold of a gun or instructions for creating a bomb or
each other, or that they are now doing practice targets with
dangerous chemicals through logical means.
other groups or managers. I see progress when they want to
take my other classes as well. I see progress when they get I’d be more concerned that they might negatively impact the
excited about having had a cool experience during a session overall energy of the class or the other students then that
and get all excited, or when they send an email afterwards. I they’d make use of what I taught them in their capacity as
see it in the testimonials they write, in the emails they send a foreign spy or terrorist. I don’t think they are going to be
sharing how the classes made a difference not just in their attracted to someone like me anyway. I think they’d go learn
psychic development but in their personal live. from someone who vibrates more like them. But if they did
show up, I’m pretty sure I’d know.
If you are speaking about measurements on a quantitive,
structured level: I am currently in the process of doing a pre- I know when people are watching me or scoping me out (I’ve
test/post test experiment with my students with the help gotten clear confirmation of this). I see them clairvoyantly in
of another experienced remote viewer, Michael Ash, who is a way that is more clear and detailed then I see most other
acting as the main experimenter in this in order to keep me things, and at the same time I get a sensation on top of my
out of the testing process. I’m hopeful we can set up an easy head as if a thin line is burrowing its way in.
and standardized testing procedure (we may need to make
some initial adjustments after this trial run) that other trainers
can make use of as well. I may incorporate some of this into

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Why should a potential viewer invest their money Anita De Lange - What’s the optimum amount of
with you and not your competitors? trainees in a single class?
First of all, this question is making an erroneous assumption Hi Anita, for my beginning webinar programs, I like to have
in presenting an either/ or competitive scenario which I between 6 and 10 in my group classes. The energy is just
absolutely don’t subscribe to. Let me be clear, other instructors livelier with more. Students really get to learn from each other
are not my competitors, they are my colleagues, teachers and too.
friends, and I highly recommend working with anyone who
has been invited to contribute to this set of interviews. Also if What measurements are in place to ensure the
someone wants to study only controlled remote in its purest concept of rv is standardized, as information
form go study with Lori Williams or Paul Smith, don’t study evolves with new research and it makes sense for
with me.
rv to stay aligned, stay on top?
If you want to get a taste of everything I consider to be
I am not so concerned about maintaining standardization
important in order to get a well rounded education in remote
but I believe maintaining a strong historical record of remote
viewing, including an introduction to all stages of CRV, and
viewing practices, and tracking where changes are occurring
know you are being prepared as quickly as possible be ready
from past practices and between various practitioners
to go and work with other project managers, experimenters,
and trainers so we can assess the latest development and
etc., my classes are a very good place to start. I would say if
improvements, determining if these are truly conscious
you feel like you just didn’t gell with CRV, or if you are already
improvements or simply due to differences in styles, or
a psychic, medium, clairvoyant, healer, you may like working
interpretations of earlier teachings. I also believe that it’s
with me because I’m going to be able to help you transition
important for teachers of remote viewing to stay current so
into remote viewing simply because I did the transition myself
we can constantly be refining training and practice techniques.
and know how to navigate myself within and between these
That’s why being part of social networks, talking to each other,
two disparate disciplines and worlds.
sharing information, swapping techniques, taking each others
As far as my clairvoyant reading and healing classes, I am classes, attending in person conferences, being part of remote
confident I know what works to really help people reach their viewing professional organizations like IRVA and APP and
intuitive goals. I’ve got this down really well. I’ve fine tuned reaching out to other areas and types of psychic work and
my approach over the years to bring students to a fast and research to see what these might add to the field of remote
high level of proficiency using a group format in which total viewing is important.
beginners and experienced intuitive can benefit from learning
and practicing together. A lot of this has to do with knowledge Elizabeth Burdine - Will you do a demo?
gained from my thousands of hours of practice as a clairvoyant
Here is an example of a demo I did for a radio show host who
reader and healer mixed with my direct practice as a remote
bills himself as “Canada’s most dangerous mind. I couldn’t
viewer. Participating in parapsychology research has helped
believe he actually seemed shocked remote viewing is a real
too.
thing given he’s a mentalist. I guess that means maybe I can
Additionally, I know how to both raise and transmute energy now call myself “America’s most dangerous mind”.
for individuals and groups of people and can do this very
[Link]
easily, so it is like I’m bringing people to a place that is ideal
richa
for this kind of work to happen, and part of what I do, at
least with my clairvoyant reading and healing students, is to By the way, I absolutely hate doing demos. I did one for this
teach them how to do this themselves, the part of this that is big reality show producer, but instead of me doing the remote
teachable. So I know how to work with energy in a way that viewing, he wanted to do it. I brought in a bubble headed
often helps students feel better by the end of class. I’m also an goldfish as a target, which was ironic because one his friends
avid mult-tasker. So everything I do in my clairvoyant classes is who arranged the meeting and was present (I was pitching
for the purposes of healing, manifesting, bringing more peace, a reality show about psychic training) was an actor named
and creativity and passion into ones life. I’m pretty good at Kramer, who had played a policeman in the movie “Jaws”.
incorporating all of that into what I teach. While I don’t exactly
do that in my remote viewing classes on this level, to this Anyway, the fish in the fish bowl was inside a black brief
extent, I always do my best to create a high energy, fun, social case. This producer wanted me to teach him in 5 minutes
environment. If people aren’t enjoying themselves (or feeling to do a remote viewing session. I gave him some precursory
successful), they aren’t going to want to come back the next instructions. He was quiet for a long time, really concentrating
week. and then the phone rang and he got up to run out the door
and on his way out he yelled over his shoulder as if joking,
“this isn’t working, all I keep seeing is Kramer’s big head with

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his glasses”. I jumped up, blocked the door long enough to do Dom Igbi - Are there different types of remote
the big reveal of the fish in the bowl, but he didn’t even bat at viewing that aren’t so tedious?
eye lid. He said, “Well better luck next time, sweetheart” and
left. He didn’t stay long enough for me to explain this could We always have the option of closing our eyes and seeing what
have very well been analytic overlay. Needless to say, I never just comes up. This is not tedious at all. In my classes we start
heard from him again. with simple ways of tuning in as I don’t want anyone to think
that it has to be complex or tedious. That being said, if one
It’s too hard educating these TV show producers on the just closes their eyes and waits for information to come, this
potential of what a great show something like this could be would be considered more of simple clairvoyance rather than
when they give you all of 5 minutes. The other ironic thing using a remote viewing protocol. It’s good to know that when
that happened was after this I stopped in at my brother Brad’s push comes to shove you can get immediate impressions,
house who is an editor and lives near the Hollywood Hills. I put and to be reminded, this is all so much easier then we tend
the case with the fish in it down inside his carport, at the top to think it is – in fact I think this is one of the biggest problems
of the stairs. A few minutes later I came back to retrieve the – that tuning in is so incredibly easy – that this ease factor
case, as it was pretty warm for a fish to be locked inside a case, becomes unfathomable and seems surreal. Everything else in
and discovered the case was gone! Brad was pretty sure his life we want to do involving the body, takes so much more
neighbor’s who were drug addicts had stolen it as they were effort, even in just raising your hand to a cup and moving it to
known for going through the garbage cans on the block. So I your mouth, so our bodies are primed and revved up to move
went to their house, knocked on their door, and asked if they into this effort mode, when that’s the last thing that’s needed.
had accidentally picked up my case, not knowing there was a It’s not that being psi is hard, it’s that it’s much too easy. So
live creature in there. They sheepishly brought it to the door easy it goes unnoticed most of the time as we are going about
and gave it back. Too weird. The fish died a day later. our everyday business.
So, I hate demos! It’s a lot like playing Russian Roulette. There
EXAMPLES OF MY OWN SESSIONS:
is that one bullet that’s going to eventually get you if you
[Link]
do enough, and probably when you are being broadcast in
front of 10 million people. Still, I’ll do them when absolutely
EXAMPLES OF MONITORED SESSIONS OF STUDENTS
necessarily.
[Link]
I guess thinking of it in a different light, you could say too that
every time you do a remote viewing session, it’s kind of a UPCOMING TRAINING
demo, I mean someone is evaluating your performance even [Link]
if that’s not the end purpose, even if it’s just yourself.
FREE PRACTICE TARGETS
[Link]

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