Entrevistas De Neruda

Entrevista 1

Qué sigue es una sesión que registré del Dr. Neruda de diciembre el 27 de 1997. Él dio el
permiso para que registre sus respuestas a mis preguntas. Éste era el primer de cinco
entrevistas que podía grabar antes de que él se fuera o desapareciera. He preservado estas
transcripciones exacto como ocurrieron. No se realizó el ningún corregir, y he intentado mi
mejor para incluir las palabras y la gramática exactas usadas por el Dr. Neruda.

Sarah: "es usted cómodo?"

El Dr. Neruda: "sí, sí, estoy muy bien y alisto para comenzar cuando usted es."

Sarah: "usted ha hecho algunas demandas notables con respecto al proyecto antiguo de la
flecha. Puede usted contar de nuevo por favor cuál era su implicación en este proyecto y porqué
usted eligió dejarlo de su propio de libre albedrío?"

El Dr. Neruda "me seleccionaron conducir descifrar y la traducción de los cuadros del símbolo
encontrados en el sitio. Tengo una maestría sabida en idiomas y textos antiguos. Puedo hablar
sobre treinta diversas idiomas fluido y otros doce o tan idiomas que estén oficialmente extintas.
Debido a mis habilidades en lingüística y mis capacidades de descifrar cuadros del símbolo tenga
gusto de los petroglyphs o los jeroglíficos, me eligieron para esta tarea.

"había estado implicado en el proyecto antiguo de la flecha de su mismo inicio, cuando el ACIO
asumió el control el proyecto del NSA. Estuve implicado inicialmente en el descubrimiento del
sitio y su restauración junto con un equipo de siete otros científicos del ACIO. Restauramos cada
uno de los veintitrés compartimientos de la cápsula del tiempo del WingMakers y catalogamos
todos sus artefactos acompañantes.

"mientras que la restauración fue terminada, me centré cada vez más en descifrar su lengua
peculiar y diseñar los índices de la traducción al inglés. Era un proceso particularmente del
disgusto porque un disco óptico fue encontrado en el vigésimo tercero compartimiento, que era
inicialmente impregnable a nuestras tecnologías. Asumimos que el disco óptico llevó a cabo la
mayoría de la información que el WingMakers nos deseó para saber sobre ellos. Sin embargo, no
podríamos calcular fuera de cómo aplicar los cuadros del símbolo encontrados en sus pinturas
del compartimiento para abrir el disco.

"decidía dejar el proyecto después de que fuera acertado en la deducción del código de acceso
para el disco óptico, y sentido que el ACIO iba a evitar que el público tenga acceso la
información contuvo dentro del sitio antiguo de la flecha. Había otras razones, pero se complica
también para explicar en una respuesta sucinta."

Sarah: "qué hizo quince hacen cuando él le encontró hacia fuera se iba?"

El Dr. Neruda: "él nunca tenía una ocasión de responder directamente a mí porque me fui sin
una palabra. Pero estoy seguro que él está enojado y se siente traicionado."

Sarah: "dígame cerca de quince. Como cuál es él?"

El Dr. Neruda: "quince es un genio de la inteligencia y del conocimiento sin par. Él es el líder del
grupo del laberinto y ha estado desde su inicio en 1963. Él era solamente veintidós años de viejo
cuando él ensambló el ACIO en 1956. Pienso que lo descubrieron temprano bastante antes de
que él tuviera una ocasión de establecer una reputación en círculos académicos. Él era un genio
del renegade que deseó construir las computadoras que serían bastante de gran alcance medir
el tiempo de recorrido. ¿Puede usted imaginarse cómo una meta tiene gusto que -- en los
mediados de los años cincuenta -- debe haber sonado a sus profesores?

"innecesario decir, le no tomaron seriamente, y esencialmente fueron dicho para conseguir en

línea con protocolos académicos y para realizar la investigación seria. Quince vinieron al ACIO
con una alianza que tenía con los laboratorios de Bell. Los laboratorios de Bell oyeron hablar de
alguna manera su genio y lo emplearon, pero él pasó rápidamente su agenda de la investigación
y deseó aplicar su visión del recorrido del tiempo."

Sarah: "porqué era él así que interesado en recorrido del tiempo?"

El Dr. Neruda: "nadie es absolutamente seguro. Y sus razones pudieron haber cambiado en un
cierto plazo. El propósito aceptado era desarrollar tecnología en blanco de la pizarra o BST. BST
es una forma de recorrido del tiempo que permita la reescritura de la historia en qué se llaman
los puntos de la intervención. Los puntos de la intervención son los centros causales de la
energía que crean un acontecimiento importante como la desintegración de la unión soviética o
del programa del espacio de la NASA.

el "BST es la tecnología más avanzada y claramente cualquier persona que está en la posesión
del BST, puede defenderse contra cualquier agresor. Es, como quince estaban encariñados con
decir, la llave de la libertad. Recuerde que el ACIO era el interfaz primario con tecnologías
extraterrestres y cómo adaptarlas en la sociedad de corriente así como usos militares. Nos
expusieron a ETs y sabíamos de su agenda. Algunos de estos ETs asustaron el infierno fuera del
ACIO."

Sarah: "porqué?"

El Dr. Neruda: "había acuerdos entre nuestro gobierno -- específicamente el NSA -- de cooperar
con ET la especie comúnmente llamados los grises en el intercambio para su cooperación a la
estancia ocultada y de conducir sus experimentos biológicos debajo del capote del secreto. Había
también un programa chapuceado de la transferencia de tecnología, pero ésa es otra historia --
sin embargo, no todos los grises funcionaban dentro de una agenda unificada. Había ciertos
grupos de los grises que miraban sobre seres humanos en mucho la misma manera que
miramos sobre animales de laboratorio.

"están secuestrando seres humanos y animales, y han sido por los últimos años del forty-eight
-- esencialmente están conduciendo experimentos biológicos para determinarse cómo su
genética se puede hacer para ser compatible con la estructura genética humana y animal. Sus
intereses no se entienden enteramente, sino que si usted acepta su agenda indicada, es
perpetuar su especie. Su especie está acercando a la extinción y ella es temerosa que su
sistema biológico carece el desarrollo emocional para enjaezar su valor tecnológico de una
manera responsable.

"quince fueron acercados por los grises en su papel en el ACIO, y desearon proporcionar un
programa a gama completa de la transferencia de tecnología, pero quince le dieron vuelta abajo.
Él había establecido ya un TTP con el Corteum, y se había sentido que los grises fueron
fracturados también de organización para hacer bueno en sus promesas. Además, la tecnología
de Corteum era superior en la mayoría del respeto a los grises -- con la excepción posible de la
memoria de los grises implante y sus tecnologías genéticas del hibridación.

"sin embargo, quince y el grupo entero del laberinto consideraban cuidadosamente una alianza
con los grises si por ninguna otra razón que tener comunicación directa con respecto a su
agenda indicada. Quince tuvieron gusto de estar en el saber -- establecimos tan eventual una
alianza, que consistió en un intercambio de información modesto entre nosotros. Proveimos de
ellos el acceso a nuestras poblaciones genéticas en relación con de los sistemas de información y
a su predisposition único a través de una variedad de criterios incluyendo comportamientos
mentales, emocionales, y físicos; y proveieron de nosotros sus resultados genéticos.

"los grises, y la mayoría de los extraterrestrials para esa materia, se comunican con los seres
humanos exclusivamente a través de una forma de telepathy, que llamamos telepathy sugestivo
porque a nosotros se parecía que los grises se comunicaron de tal manera que intentaban
conducir una conversación a un extremo particular. Es decir tenían siempre una agenda, y nunca
estábamos seguros si éramos un empeño de su agenda o llegamos las conclusiones que eran de
hecho nuestros las propias.

"pienso que es porqué quince no confiaban en los grises. Él se sentía que utilizaron la
comunicación para manipular resultados a su propio mejor interés del favor de intereses
compartidos. Y debido a esta carencia de la confianza, quince rechazaron formar cualquier
alianza o TTP que fueran comprensivos o integral a nuestras operaciones en el ACIO o el grupo
del laberinto."

Sarah: "hizo los grises saben de la existencia del grupo del laberinto?"

El Dr. Neruda: "no creo tan. Fueron convencidos generalmente de que los seres humanos no
eran bastante listos disimular sus agendas. Nuestro análisis era que los grises tenían tecnologías
invasoras que les dieron un sentido falso de la seguridad en cuanto a las debilidades de su
enemigo. Y no estoy diciendo que éramos enemigos, pero nunca las confiábamos en. Y esto que
sabían indudablemente. También sabían que el ACIO tenía las tecnologías e intelectos que eran
superiores a la población humana de corriente, y tenían un modicum del respecto -- quizás
incluso miedo -- de nuestras capacidades.

"sin embargo, nunca las demostramos de nuestras tecnologías del puro-estado o las
contratamos a diálogos profundos referentes cosmology o a la nueva física. Estaban claramente
interesados en nuestras bases de datos de la información y ésta era su agenda primaria con
respecto al ACIO. Quince eran el interfaz primario con los grises porque detectaron una intelecto
comparable en él. Los grises miraban quince como el equivalente del CEO de nuestro planeta."

Sarah: "cómo hizo quince sienten bien al líder del ACIO y al grupo del laberinto?"

El Dr. Neruda: "él era el director de la investigación en 1958 en que el Corteum primero se sabía
al ACIO. En esta posición, él era la opción lógica para determinar su tecnología y para
determinar su valor al ACIO. El Corteum llevó inmediatamente tener gusto él, y una de quince
primeras decisiones debía utilizar las tecnologías del acelerador de la inteligencia de Corteum en
se. Después de que cerca de tres meses de la experimentación (la mayoría de los cuales no
estaba en su informe divulga al director ejecutivo entonces actual del ACIO), quince se
infundieran con una visión masiva de cómo crear el BST.

"la intensidad de la agenda de quince BST asustó y se sentía al director ejecutivo que divertiría
demasiado de los recursos de ACIO's a un programa de desarrollo de la tecnología que era
dudoso. Quince eran bastante de un renegade que él alistó la ayuda del Corteum para establecer
el grupo del laberinto. El Corteum estaba igualmente interesado en el BST por las razones
similares como quince. La llave de la libertad, mientras que fue llamada a veces, fue establecida
como la agenda primera del grupo del laberinto, y el Corteum y los quince era sus miembros
iniciales.

"durante los varios años próximos, quince seleccionó la crema de la cosecha de la base científica
del ACIO para experimentar un programa similar del acelerador de la inteligencia como él tenía,
con la intención de desarrollar a un grupo de los científicos que podrían -- en la cooperación con
el Corteum -- inventar con éxito el BST. El ACIO, en la opinión de quince, fue controlado
también por el NSA y él se sentía que el NSA era demasiado no maduro en su dirección
desplegar responsable las tecnologías que él sabía sería convertido como consecuencia del grupo
del laberinto. Tan quince esencialmente trazados a asumen el control el ACIO y fueron asistidos
por sus nuevos reclutas hacer tan.

"This happened a few years before I became affiliated with the ACIO as a student and intern. My
stepfather was very sympathetic to Fifteen's agenda and was helpful in placing Fifteen as the
Executive Director of the ACIO. There was a period of instability when this transition occurred,
but after about a year, Fifteen was firmly in control of the agendas of both the ACIO and the
Labyrinth Group.

"What I said earlier -- that he was viewed as the CEO of the planet -- that's essentially who he
is. And of the ETs who are interacting with humankind, only the Corteum understand the role of
Fifteen. He has a vision that is unique in that it is a blueprint for the creation of BST, and is
closing in on the right technological and human elements that will make this possible."

Sarah: "What makes BST such an imperative to Fifteen and the Labyrinth Group?"

Dr. Neruda: "The ACIO has access to many ancient texts that contain prophecies of the earth.
These have been accumulated over the past several hundred years through our network of
secret organizations of which we are a part. These ancient texts are not known in academic
institutions, the media, or mainstream society; they are quite powerful in their depictions of the
twenty-first century. Fifteen was made aware of these texts early on when he became Director
of Research for the ACIO, and this knowledge only fueled his desire to develop BST."

Sarah: "What were these prophecies and who made them?"

Dr. Neruda: "The prophecies were made by a variety of people who are, for the most part,
unknown or anonymous, so if I told you their names you would have no recognition. You see,
time travel can be accomplished by the soul from an observational level -- that is to say, that
certain individuals can move in the realm of what we call vertical time and see future events
with great clarity, but they are powerless to change them. There are also those individuals who
have, in our opinion, come into contact with the WingMakers and are provided messages about
the future, which they had recorded in symbol pictures or extinct languages like Sumerian,
Mayan, and Chakobsan.

"The messages or prophecies that they made had several consistent strands or themes that
were to occur in the early part of the twenty-first century, around the year 2011. Chief among
these was the infiltration of the major governments of the world, including the United Nations,
by an alien race. This alien race was a predator race with extremely sophisticated technologies
that enabled them to integrate with the human species. That is to say, they could pose as
humanoids, but they were truly a blend of human and android -- in other words, they were
synthetics.

"This alien race was prophesied to establish a world government and rule as its executive power.
It was to be the ultimate challenge to humankind's collective intelligence and survival. These
texts are kept from the public because they are too fear-provoking and would likely result in
apocalyptic reprisals and mass paranoiaÖ"

Sarah: "Are you saying what I think you're saying? That anonymous prophets from God knows
where and when, have seen a vision of our future take-over by a race of robots? I mean you do
realize how -- how unbelievable that sounds?"

Dr. Neruda: "Yes -- I know it sounds unbelievable -- but there are diluted versions of this very
same prophecy in our religious texts, it's just that the alien race is portrayed as the antichrist;
as if the alien race was personified in the form of Lucifer. This form of the prophecy was
acceptable to the gatekeepers of these texts, and so they allowed a form of the prophecy to be
distributed, but the notion of an alien race was eliminated."
Sarah: "Why? And who exactly is it who's censoring what we can read and can't? Are you
suggesting there's a secret editorial committee that previews books before their distribution?"

Dr. Neruda: "This is a very complicated subject and I could spend a whole day just acquainting
you with the general structure of this control of information. Most of the world's major libraries
have collections of information that are not available to the general public. Only scholars are
authorized to review these materials, and usually only on site. In the same way, there are
manuscripts that were controversial and posited theories that were sharply different than the
accepted belief systems of their day. These manuscripts or writings were banished by a variety
of sources, including the Vatican, universities, governments, and various institutions.

"These writings are sought out by secret organizations that have a mission to collect and retain
this information. These organizations are very powerful and well funded, and they can purchase
these original manuscripts for a relatively small amount of money. Most of the writings are
believed to be hocus-pocus anyway, so libraries are often very willing to part with them for an
endowment or modest contribution. Also, most of these are original writings having never been
published, being that they originated from a time before the printing press.

"There is a network of secret organizations that are loosely connected through the financial
markets and their interests in worldly affairs. They are generally centers of power for the
monetary systems within their respective countries, and are elitists of the first order. The ACIO
is affiliated with this network only because it is rightly construed that the ACIO has the best
technology in the world, and this technology can be deployed for financial gain through market
manipulation.

"As for an editorial committee -- no, this secret network of organizations doesn't review books
before publication. Its holdings are exclusively in ancient manuscripts and religious texts. They
have a very strong interest in prophecy because they believe in the concept of vertical time and
they have a vested interest in knowing the macro-environmental changes that can affect the
economy. You see for most of them, the only game on this planet that is worth playing is the
acquisition of ever-increasing wealth and power through an orchestrated manipulation of the key
variables that drive the economic engines of our world."

Sarah: "So if they're so smart about the future, and they believe these prophecies, what're they
doing to help protect us from these alien invaders?"

Dr. Neruda: "They help fund the ACIO. This collective of organizations has enormous wealth.
More than most governments can comprehend. The ACIO provides them with the technology to
manipulate money markets and rake in hundreds of billions of dollars every year. I don't even
know the scope of their collective wealth. The ACIO also receives funding from the sale of its
diluted technologies to these organizations for the sake of their own security and protection.
We've devised the world's finest security systems, which are both undetectable and impregnable
to outside forces like the CIA and the former KGB.

"The reason they fund the ACIO is that they believe Fifteen is the most brilliant man alive and
they're aware of his general agenda to develop BST. They see this technology as the ultimate
safeguard against the prophecy and their ability to retain relative control of the world and
national economies. They also know Fifteen's strategic position with alien technologies and hope
that between his genius, and the alien technologies that the ACIO is assimilating, that BST is
possible to develop before the prophecy occurs."

Sarah: "But why the sudden interest in the WingMakers' time capsule? How does it play a role in
all of this BST stuff?"

Dr. Neruda: "Initially, we didn't know what the connection was between the Ancient Arrow
project and the BST Imperative. You have to understand that the time capsule was a collection
of twenty-three chambers literally carved inside of a canyon wall in the middle of nowhere about
eighty miles northeast of Chaco Canyon in New Mexico. It is, without a doubt, the most amazing
archeological find of all time. If scientists were allowed to examine this site, with all of its
artifacts intact, they would be in awe of this incredible find.

"Our preliminary assumptions were that this site was a time capsule of sorts left behind by an
extraterrestrial race who had visited earth in the eighth century. But we couldn't understand why
the art was so clearly representative of earth -- if it were a time capsule. The only logical
conclusion was that it represented a future version of humanity. But we weren't certain of this
until we figured out how to access the optical disc and translate the first set of documents from
the disc.

"Once we had a clear understanding of how the WingMakers wanted to be understood, we began
to test their claims by analyzing their chamber paintings, poetry, music, philosophy, and
artifacts. This analysis made us fairly certain that they were authentic, which meant that they
were not only time travelers, but that they were also in possession of a form of BST."

Sarah: "Why did you assume they had BST?"

Dr. Neruda: "We believed it took them a minimum of two months to create their time capsule.
This would have required them to open and hold open a window of time and physically operate
within the selected time frame. This is a fundamental requirement of BST. Additionally, it is
necessary to be able to select the intervention points with precision -- both in terms of time and
space. We believed they had this capability, and they had proven it with their time capsule.

"Furthermore, the technological artifacts they had left behind were evidence of a technology that
was so far in advance to our own that we couldn't even understand them. None of the
extraterrestrial races we were aware of had technologies so advanced that we could not probe
them, assimilate them, and reverse-engineer them. The technologies left behind in the Ancient
Arrow site were totally enigmatic and impervious to our probes. We considered them so
advanced that they were quite literally indiscernible and unusable which -- though it may sound
odd -- is a clear sign of an extremely advanced technology."

Sarah: "So you decided that the WingMakers were in possession of BST, but how did you think
you were going to acquire their knowledge?"

Dr. Neruda: "We didn't know, and to this day, the answer to that question is allusive. The ACIO
placed its best resources on this project for more than two intensive months. I posited the
theory that the time capsule was an encoded communication device. I began to theorize that
when one went through the effort to interact with the various symbol pictures and immerse
themselves in the time capsule's art and philosophy, it affected the central nervous system in a
way that it improved fluid intelligence.

"It was, in my opinion, the principle goal of the time capsule to boost fluid intelligence so that
BST was not only able to be developed, but also utilized."

Sarah: "You lost me. What is the relationship between BST and fluid intelligence?"

Dr. Neruda: "BST is a specific form of time travel. Science fiction treats time travel as something
that is relatively easy to design and develop, and relatively one-dimensional. Time travel is
anything but one-dimensional. As advanced in technology as the Corteum and Greys are, they
have yet to produce the equivalent of BST. They are able to time travel in its elemental form,
but they can't interact with the time that they travel to. That is to say, they can go back in time,
but once there, they cannot alter the events of that time because they are in a passive,
observational mode.
"The Labyrinth Group has conducted seven time travel experiments over the past thirty years.
One clear outcome from these tests is that the person performing the time travel is an integral
variable to the technology used to time travel. In other words, the person and the technology
need to be precisely matched. The Labyrinth Group, for all it knows, already possesses BST, but
lacks the time traveler equivalent of an astronaut who can appropriately finesse the technology
in real time and make the split-second adjustments that BST requires.

"The Labyrinth Group has never seriously considered the human element of BST and how it is
integral to the technology itself. There were some of us who were involved in the translation
indexes of the WingMakers, who began to feel that that was the nature of the time capsule: to
enhance fluid intelligence and activate new sensory inputs that were critical to the BST
experience.

Sarah: "But I still don't understand what it was that led you to that conclusion?"

Dr. Neruda "When we had translated the first thirty pages of text from the optical disc, we
learned some interesting things about the WingMakers and their philosophy. Namely, that they
claimed that the three-dimensional five-sensory domain that humans have adjusted to, is the
reason we are only using a fractional portion of our intelligence. They claimed that the time
capsule would be the bridge from the three-dimensional five-sensory domain to the
multidimensional seven-sensory domain.

"In my opinion, they were saying that in order to apply BST, the traveler needed to operate from
the multidimensional seven-sensory domain. Otherwise, BST was the proverbial camel through
the eye of the needle -- or in other words -- impossibleÖ"

Sarah: "This at least seems plausible to me, why was it so hard to believe for the ACIO?"

Dr. Neruda: "This initiative was really conducted by the Labyrinth Group and not the ACIO, so
I'm making that distinction just to be accurate, and not to be critical of your question. For
Fifteen, it was hard to believe that a time capsule could activate or construct a bridge that would
lead someone to become a traveler. This seemed like an extraordinarily remote possibility. He
felt that the time capsule may hold the technology to enable BST, but he didn't believe it was
merely an educational or developmental experience.

"Also, and more importantly, the true identity of the WingMakers became clear as we deployed
our RV technologies." Sarah: "First, what're RV technologies?"

Dr. Neruda: "Think of it as psychic spying. The ACIO has a department that specializes in
Remote Viewing technology, and within this department was a woman of unparalleled capability
as an RV. She was assigned to the project as its RV, and she was a critical element in
determining the identity and purpose of the WingMakers."

Sarah: "Can we come back to the RV technology? Just tell me what she discovered as to the
identity of the WingMakers."

Dr. Neruda: "She was very attuned to the first artifact we recovered, which turned out to be a
homing device that essentially led us to the Ancient Arrow site. We conducted two official RV
sessions -- one that I monitored and another that Fifteen monitored. She was able to make
contact with the original planners of the Ancient Arrow site. Through these two RV sessions we
were able to determine that the identity of the WingMakers was an ancient -- the most ancient
-- race of humankind."

Sarah: "When you say most ancient, what do you mean?"

Dr. Neruda: "We know of them mostly through a few ancient manuscripts that were reputedly
channeled by these beings. There're a few myths in Mayan and Sumerian text that refer to these
being as well. But the most definitive text comes from the Corteum who defined them, in our
terms, as the Central Race." Sarah: "How can they be so ancient if they're so technologically
advanced?"

Dr. Neruda: The Central Race resides in the most primeval galaxies nearest the centermost part
of the universe. According to Corteum cosmology, the structure of the universe is segmented
into seven superuniverses that each revolve around a central universe. The central universe is
the material home of First Source or the Creator. According to the Corteum, in order to govern
the material universe, First Source must inhabit materiality and function in the material
universe. The central universe is the material home of First Source and is eternal. It's
surrounded by dark gravity bodies that make it essentially invisible even to those galaxies that
lie closest to its periphery.

"The Corteum teach that the central universe is stationary and eternal, while the seven
superuniverses are creations of time and revolve around the central universe in a
counterclockwise rotation. Surrounding these seven superuniverses is "outer" or peripheral
space, which is non-physical elementals consisting of non-baryonic matter or antimatter, which
rotates around the seven superuniverses in a clockwise rotation. This vast outer space is
expansion room for the superuniverses to expand into. The known universe that your
astronomers see is mostly a small fragment of our superuniverse and the expansion space at its
outermost periphery. Hubble-based astronomy extrapolates, based on a fractional field of view,
that there are 50 billion galaxies in our superuniverse, each containing over 100 billion stars.
However, most astronomers remain convinced that our universe is singular. It is not -- according
to the Corteum."

"On the fringe of the central universe resides the Central Race, which contain the original human
DNA template of creation. However, they are such an ancient race that they appear to us as
Gods, when indeed they represent our future selves. Time and space are the only variables of
distinction. The Central Race is known to some as the creator gods who developed the primal
template of the human species and then, working in conjunction with the Life Carriers, seeded
the galaxies as the universes expanded. Each of the seven superuniverses has a distinctive
purpose and relationship with the central universe via the Central Race based on how the
Central Race experimented with the DNA to achieve distinct, but compatible physical
embodiments to be soul carriers.

Sarah: "I don't even know what to ask next."

Dr. Neruda: "The Central Race is divided into seven tribes, and they are master geneticists and
the progenitors of the humanoid race. In effect, they are our future selves. Quite literally they
represent what we will evolve into in time and towards in terms of space."

Sarah: "So, you're saying that the WingMakers are our future selves and that they're building
these time capsules in order to communicate with us?"

Dr. Neruda: "The Labyrinth Group believed that the WingMakers are representatives of the
Central Race, and that they created our particular human genotype to become suitable soul
carriers in our particular universe. The Ancient Arrow site is part of a broader, interconnected
system of seven sites installed on each continent. Together, we believe this system constitutes a
defensive technology."

Sarah: "So there're are seven Ancient Arrow sites?"

Dr. Neruda: "Yes."

Sarah: "And you know where they are?"

Dr. Neruda: "I know generally where the remaining six are, but I don't know their specific
location. They remain undiscovered so far as I know."

Sarah: "Why would the most advanced race -- or future version of humanity -- place such a
sophisticated array of technologies and artifacts on our planet? What're they afraid of?"

Dr. Neruda: "They have an ancient, formidable enemy, which Fifteen calls the Animus."

Sarah: "We're back to the synthetics?"

Dr. Neruda: "One in the same."

Sarah: "So, the WingMakers are protecting their human genetics from the invasion of the
Animus, and they placed these sites -- or defensive technologies on earth to somehow prevent
them from taking over the planet?"

Dr. Neruda "That's essentially what we believe. However, it's more than human DNA. It includes
all the higher order animals, humans being one of a collective of about one hundred and twenty
species."

Sarah: "And you know all of this because of a psychic's vision, a few ancient manuscripts, and
the Corteum?"

Dr. Neruda: "I admit it sounds implausible, but yes, we know all of this from sources that no one
in the public domain can access or corroborate."

Sarah: "So the WingMakers, or Central Race, created us and presumably hundreds of other
species, planted us on earth, and then built a complex defensive system to protect their
genetics. Is that the situation?"

Dr. Neruda: "The best way to conceptualize who these beings are, is to consider them as
geneticists who were the first born of First Source. The galaxies in which the Central Race
resides are approximately eighteen billion years old and their genetics are immeasurably more
developed than our own. They are the optimal soul carrier in that they can co-exist in the
material world and the non-material dimensions simultaneously. This is because their genetic
blueprint has been fully activated."

Sarah: "You sound like you're a believer in this philosophy, but I don't understand why you're
such an authority if it's the Corteum cosmology. Did they teach you this?"

Dr. Neruda: "Part of our TTP with the Corteum extended to their cosmology, and they have the
equivalent of our Bible called Liminal Cosmogony that I translated. It was our first detailed
exposure to the Central Race and their behind-the-scenes influence of genetic evolution and
transformation."

Sarah: "What do you mean 'behind-the-scenes'?

Dr. Neruda: "The WingMakers have created a DNA template that is form-fitted to each of the
seven superuniverses, enabling a unique and dominant soul carrier to emerge within each of the
superuniverses. This soul carrier -- in our case -- is the human genotype. Within our genetic
substrate is the inborn structure that will ultimately deliver our species to the central universe as
a perfected species. The WingMakers have encoded this within our DNA, and set forth the
natural and artificial trigger points that cause our genetic structures to alter and adapt. In this
process, it activates parts of our nervous system that feed the brain with a much richer stream
of data from our five senses and two additional senses that we have yet to consciously activate."

Sarah: "It sounds a little too manufactured."

Dr. Neruda: "What do you mean?"

Sarah: "Just that humans will one day aspire to the heights of the WingMakers, but our salvation
is something invisible that's encoded in our genes. It feels like we're manufactured to attain the
same view or perspective of our creators. What happened to freewill?"

Dr. Neruda: "You raise a good question, Sarah. I can't defend this system of belief. I can recite
any passage you want from the books that I know, but it's just someone's opinion who's taken
the time to write it down.

"I can tell you that in my experience, the wider the range of possibilities as one moves toward
more of a multidimensional thought stream and activity path, the narrower one's choices
become as they pertain to rightful living. You could even say that freewill diminishes as one
becomes realized to all possibilities."

Sarah: "I know you're trying to help, but you lost me -- but don't try and explain again. Let' s
just chalk it up to my dense brain getting in the way."

Dr. Neruda: "If it's anything, it's my poor explanation. It's difficult to define these things in a
way that can enter your consciousness at its preparation point."

Sarah: "You said earlier that the WingMakers encoded trigger points that were both natural and
artificially stimulated. What did you mean?"

Dr. Neruda: "Again, I want to emphasize that this is all according to the Corteum. We have very
little proof of any of this from our own empirical research. However, the Labyrinth Group has a
high degree of trust in the Corteum's cosmological systems of belief because of their history as
an explorer race, and their superior application of physics.

"Our human DNA is designed. It did not evolve from forces of time, matter, and energy. It was
designed by the Central Race, and part of this design was to encode within the DNA template
certain super sensory capabilities that would enable a human to perceive itself in a very specific
way."

Sarah: "In what way?"

Neruda: "As a soul carrier that is connected to the universe like a ray of light is connected to a
spectrum of colors as it passes through a prism."

Sarah: "Could you be a bit more concrete?"

Dr. Neruda (laughing): "I'm sorry, sometimes I quote passages -- it's easier than coming up
with my own explanation every time.

Sarah: "No doubt one of the curses of having a photographic memory."

Dr. Neruda: "Perhaps you're right. I'll try in my own words.

"Our DNA is designed to respond to natural imagery, words, tones, music, and other external
forces."

Sarah: What do you mean by 'respond'?"

Dr. Neruda: "It can activate or de-activate certain components of its structure that enable
adaptation in both the biological and higher states of beingó"

Sarah: "Like?"

Dr. Neruda: "Like the state of enlightenment as described by some of our planet's spiritual
teachers.

Sarah: "I've never heard of enlightenment as something that one adapts to."

Dr. Neruda: "That's only because mystics and scientists alike do not understand this aspect of
the human DNA template. Everything, whether it's a biological environment or a state of mind,
requires adaptation on the part of the person undergoing the experience. Adaptation is the
primary intelligence designed within our genetic code, and it is this intelligence that is
awakened, or triggered, with certain stimuli.

"The stimuli can be artificially induced, that is to say, the Central Race has encoded adaptation
to higher vibratory frequencies within our DNA that they can trigger through catalytic images,
words, or sounds."

Sarah: "Okay, so now you're coming full circle to the purpose of the artifacts found at the
Ancient Arrow site. Correct?"

Dr. Neruda: "I believe they're related. To what extent I'm not sure. But from reading the
information contained within the optical disc, I'm quite certain that the WingMakers intend the
music, art, poetry, and philosophy to be catalytic."

Sarah: "But for what purpose?" Dr. Neruda: "Let's save that for a later time. I promise we'll get
to that, but it's a very long story."

Sarah: "Let's take a short break and resume after we've had a chance to grab some more
coffee. Okay?" Dr. Neruda: "Okay."

(Break for about 10 minutes -- Resume interview)

Sarah: "During the break I asked you about the network of secret organizations you mentioned
that the ACIO is part of. Can you elaborate on this network and what its agenda is?"

Dr. Neruda: "There are many organizations that have noble exteriors and secret interiors. In
other words, they may have external agendas that they promote to their employees, members,
and the media, but there is also a secret and well-hidden agenda that only the inner core of the
organization is aware of. The outer rings or protective membership as they're sometimes
referred to, are simply window dressing to cover-up the real agenda of the organization.

"The IMF, Foreign Relations Committee, NSA, KGB, CIA, World Bank, and the Federal Reserve
are all examples of these organizational structures. Their inner core is knitted together to form
an elitist, secret society, with its own culture, economy, and communication system. These are
the powerful and wealthy who have joined forces in order to manipulate world political,
economic, and social systems to facilitate their personal agenda.
"The agenda, as I know it, is primarily concerned with control of the world economy and its vital
resources -- oil, gold, gas reserves, platinum, diamonds, etc. This secret network has utilized
technology from the ACIO for the purpose of securing control of the world economy. They're well
into the process of designing an integrated world economy based on a digital equivalent of paper
currency. This infrastructure is in place, but it is taking more time than expected to implement
because of the resistance of competitive forces who don't understand the exact nature of this
secret network, but intuitively sense its existence.

"These competitive forces are generally businesses and politicians who are affiliated with the
transition to a global, digital economy, but want to have some control of the infrastructure
development, and because of their size and position in the marketplace can exert significant
influence on this secret network.

"The only organization that I'm aware of that is entirely independent as to its agenda, and
therefore the most powerful or alpha organization, is the Labyrinth Group. And they are in this
position because of their pure-state technologies and the intellect of its members. All other
organizations -- whether part of this secret network of organizations or powerful multinational
corporations -- are not in control of the execution of their agenda. They are essentially locked in
a competitive battle."

Sarah: "But if this is all true, then is Fifteen essentially running this secret network?"

Dr. Neruda: "No. He's not interested in the agenda of this secret network. He's bored by it. He
has no interest in power or money. He's only attracted to the mission of building BST to thwart
hostile alien attacks that have been prophesied for 12,000 years. He believes that the only
mission worth deploying the Labyrinth Group's considerable intellectual power is the
development of the ultimate defensive weapon or Freedom Key. He's convinced that only the
Labyrinth Group has a chance to do this before it's too late.

"You have to remember that the Labyrinth Group consists of one hundred eighteen humans and
approximately two hundred Corteum. The intellectual ability of this group, aligned behind the
focused mission of developing BST before the alien take-over, is truly a remarkable undertaking
that makes the Manhattan Project look like a kindergarten social party in comparison. And
perhaps I'm exaggerating a bit for effect -- but I'm pointing out that Fifteen is leading an agenda
that is far more critical than anything that has been undertaken in the history of humankind."

Sarah: "So, if Fifteen is running his own agenda, and it's just as you say it is, why would you
defect from such an organization?"

Dr. Neruda: "The ACIO has a memory implant technology that can effectively eliminate select
memories with surgical precision. For example, this technology could eliminate your recall of this
interview without disrupting any other memories before or after. You would simply sense some
missing time perhaps, but nothing more would be recalled -- if that.

"My intuition cautioned me that I was a candidate to have this procedure because of the
behaviors I was exhibiting in deference to the WingMakers. In other words, I was believed to be
a sympathizer of their culture, philosophy, and mission -- what I knew of it. That made me a
potential risk to the project. The Labyrinth Group, in a very real sense, feared its own
membership because of their enormous intellects and ability to be cunning and clever.

"This imprinted a constant state of paranoia which meant that technology was deployed to help
ensure compliance to the agenda of Fifteen. Most of these technologies were invasive, and the
members of the Labyrinth Group willingly submitted to the invasion in order to more effectively
cope with the paranoia. Several months ago I began to systematically shut down these invasive
technologies -- in part to see what the reaction of Fifteen would be, and partly because I was
tired of the paranoia.
"As I was doing this, it became obvious to me that the suspicions were escalating and it was
simply a matter of time before they would ask me to subject myself to an MRP --"

Sarah: "MRP?"

Dr. Neruda: "Yes, MRP stands for Memory Restructure Procedure. What I had learned from the
WingMakers' time capsule is not something I want to forget. I don't want to give this information
up. It has become a central part of what I believe and how I want to live out my life."

Sarah: "Couldn't you have simply defected and not sought out a journalist who will want to get
this story out. I mean, couldn't you have simply gone to an island and lived out your life and
never disclosed the existence of the Labyrinth Group and the WingMakers?"

Dr. Neruda: "You don't understand -- the Labyrinth Group is untouchable. They have no fears
about what I divulge to the media, their only concern is the terrible precedence of defection. I'm
the first. No one has ever left before. And their fear is that if I defect and get away successfully,
others will too. And once that happens, the mission is compromised and BST may never happen.

"Fifteen and his Directors take their mission very seriously. They are fanatics of the first order,
which is both good and bad. Good in the sense that they're focused and working hard to develop
BST, bad in the sense that fanaticism breeds paranoia. My reasons for seeking out a journalist
like you and sharing this knowledge is that I don't want the WingMakers' time capsules to be
locked away from humanity. I think its contents should be shared. I think that was their
purpose."

Sarah: "This will seem like a strange question, but why would the WingMakers hide their time
capsule and then encode its content in such an extraordinarily complex way if they wanted this
to be shared with humanity? If the average citizen had found this time capsule -- or even a
government laboratory, what's the chance they would have been able to decipher it and access
the optical disc?"

Dr. Neruda "It's not such a strange question actually. We asked it ourselves. It seemed clear to
the Labyrinth Group that it had been the chosen organization to unlock the optical disc. To
answer your question directly, had the time capsule been discovered by another organization,
chances are excellent that its optical disc would never be accessed. Somehow, this coincidence
-- that the time capsule ended up in the hands of the Labyrinth Group -- seems to be an
orchestrated process. And even Fifteen agreed with that assessment.

Sarah: "So Fifteen felt that the WingMakers had selected the Labyrinth Group to decide the fate
of the time capsule's content?"

Dr. Neruda: "Yes."

Sarah: "Then wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that Fifteen wanted to learn more about the
contents of the time capsule before he released it to the public through the NSA or some other
government agency?"

Dr. Neruda: "No. It's doubtful that Fifteen would ever release any information about the Ancient
Arrow project to anyone outside of the ACIO. He's not one to share information that he feels is
proprietary to the Labyrinth Group, particularly if it has anything to do with BST."

Sarah: "So now that you've made these statements, isn't it going to effect the ACIO? Isn't
someone going to ask questions and start poking around looking for answers?"
Dr. Neruda: "Perhaps. But I know too much about their security systems, and there's no way
that a political inquiry will find them. And there's no way the secret network of organizations I
mentioned earlier could exert any influence over them; they're completely indebted to the ACIO
for technologies that permit them to manipulate economic markets. They -- the ACIO and
Labyrinth Group are, as I said before, untouchable. Their only concern will be defection -- the
loss of intellectual capital." Sarah: "What effect will your defection have on the ACIO or the
Labyrinth Group?"

Dr. Neruda: "Very little. Most of my contributions with respect to the time capsule have been
completed. There are some other projects having to do with encryption technologies that I
developed and these will be more significant in their impact."

Sarah: "Back to the WingMakers for a moment, if they're so advanced technologically, why time
capsules? Why not just appear one day and announce whatever it is they want to share? Why
this game of hide and seek and hidden time capsules?" Dr. Neruda: "Their motives are not clear.
I think they left behind these time capsules as their way to bring culture and technology from
their time to ours. We also believe that these sites represent a defensive weapon. A very
sophisticated defensive weapon.

"As for why don't they just show up and give us the information -- this, I think, is their genius.
They've created seven time capsules and placed them in various parts of the world. I believe this
is all part of a master plan or strategy to engage our intellects and spirits in a way that has
never been done before. To demonstrate how art -- culture, science, spirituality, how all of these
things are connected. I believe they want us to discover this -- not to be told.

"If they simply arrived here in your living room and announced they were the WingMakers from
the centermost sector of the universe, I suspect you'd be more amazed about their personalities
and physical characteristics and what life is like in their world. That's assuming you even
believed them. The aspects of what they wanted to impart -- culture, art, technology,
philosophy, spirituality, these items could get lost in the phenomenon of their presence.

"Also, in the text that we had translated, it was apparent that the WingMakers had time traveled
on many occasions. They interacted with people from many different times and called
themselves Culture Bearers. They were probably mistaken as angels or even Gods. For all we
know, their reference in religious texts may indeed be frequent."

Sarah: "So you think they intend that these time capsules be shared with the whole of
humanity?"

Dr. Neruda: "You mean the WingMakers?" Sarah: "Yes?"

Dr. Neruda: "I don't know with absolute certainty. But I think they should be shared. I don't
have anything to personally gain from getting this information out to the public. It goes against
everything I've been trained for and places me at risk and at the very least, disrupts my lifestyle
irreparably.

"To me, the Ancient Arrow time capsule is the single greatest discovery in the history of
humankind. Discoveries of this magnitude should be in the public domain. They shouldn't be
selfishly secured and retained by the ACIO or any other organization."

Sarah: "Then why are these discoveries and the whole situation with ETs kept from the public?"

Dr. Neruda: "The people who have access to this information like the sense of being unique and
privileged. That's the psychology of secret organizations and why they flourish. Privileged
information is the ambrosia of elitists. It gives them a sense of power, and the human ego loves
to feed from the trough of power.
"They would never confess to this, but the drama of the ET contact and other mysterious or
paranormal phenomenon is extremely compelling and of vital interest to anyone who is of a
curious nature. Particularly politicians and scientists. And by keeping these subjects in private
rooms behind closed doors with all the secrecy surrounding it, it creates a sense of drama that is
missing in most of their other pursuits.

"So you see, Sarah, the drama of secrecy is very addictive. Now of course, the reason that they
would tell you for keeping this out of the public domain is for purposes of national security,
economic stability, and social order. And to some extent, I suppose there's truth to that. But it's
not the real reason." Sarah: "Does our President know about the ET situation?" Dr. Neruda:
"Yes."

Sarah: "What does he know?"

Dr. Neruda: "He knows about the Greys. He knows about ET bases that exist on planets within
our solar system. He knows about the Martians."

Sarah: "Good God, you're not going to tell me that little green men form Mars actually exist are
you?"

Dr. Neruda: "If I were to tell you what I know about the ET situation, I'm afraid I would lose my
credibility in your eyes. Believe me, the reality of the ET situation is much more complex and
dimensional than I have time tonight to report, and if I gave you a superficial rendering, I think
you'd find it impossible to believe. So I'm going to tell you partial truths, and I'm going to be
very careful in my choice of words.

"The Martians are a humanoid race fashioned from the same gene pool as we. They live in
underground bases within Mars, and their numbers are small. Some have already immigrated to
earth, and with some superficial adjustments to their physical appearance, they could pass for a
human in broad daylight.

"President Clinton is aware of these matters and has considered alternative ways to
communicate with ETs. To date, a form of telepathy has been used as the primary
communication interface. However, this is not a trusted form of communication, especially in the
minds of our military personnel. Virtually every radio telescope on the globe has been, at one
time or another, used to communicate with ETs. This has had mixed results, but there have
been successes, and our President is aware of these."

Sarah: "Then is Clinton involved in the secret network you mentioned earlier?"

Dr. Neruda: "Not knowingly. But he is clearly an important influencer, and is treated with great
care by high-level operatives within the network."

Sarah: "So you're saying he's manipulated?"

Dr. Neruda: "It depends on your definition of manipulation. He can make any decision he
desires, ultimately he has the power to make or influence all decisions relative to national
security, economic stability, and social order. But he generally seeks inputs from his advisors.
And high-level operatives from this secret network advise his advisors. The network, and its
operatives, seldom gets too close to political power because it's in the media fish bowl, and they
disdain the scrutiny of the media and the public in general.

"Clinton, therefore is not manipulated, but simply advised. The information he receives is
sometimes doctored to lead his decisions in the direction that the network feels is most
beneficial to all of its members. To the extent that information is doctored, then I think you
could say that the President is manipulated. He has precious little time to perform fact checking
and fully evaluate alternative plans, which is why the advisors are so important and influential."

Sarah: "Okay, so he's manipulated -- at least by my definition. Is this also happening with other
governments like Japan and Great Britain for instance?"

Dr. Neruda: "Yes. This network is not just national or even global. It extends to other races and
species. So its influence is quite broad, as are the influences that impinge upon it. It is a two-
way street. As I said before, The Labyrinth Group operates the only agenda that is truly
independent, and because of its goal, it's permitted to have this independence -- though in all
honesty, there's nothing that anyone could do to prevent it, with the possible exception of the
WingMakers."

Sarah: "So all the world's governments are being manipulated by this secret network of
organizations -- who are these organizations -- you mentioned some of them, but who are the
rest? Is the mob involved?" Dr. Neruda: "I could name most of them, but to what end? Most you
wouldn't recognize or find any reference to. They are like the Labyrinth Group. Had you ever
heard of it before? Of course not. Even the current management of the NSA is not aware of the
ACIO. At one time, they were. But that was over 35 years ago, and people circulate out of the
organization, but still retain their alliance to the secret and privileged information network.

"And no, absolutely there is no mob or organized crime influence in this network. The network
uses organized crime as a shield in some instances, but organized crime operates through
intimidation, not stealth. Its leaders possess average intelligence and associate with information
systems that are obsolete and therefore non-strategic. The organized crime network is a much
less sophisticated version of the network I was referring to."

Sarah: Okay, back to the WingMakers for a moment -- and I apologize for my scattered
questions tonight. It's just that there's so much I want to know that I'm finding it very difficult to
stay on the subject of the Ancient Arrow project." Dr. Neruda: "You don't need to apologize. I
understand how this must sound to you. I'm still wide awake, so you don't have to worry about
the time."

Sarah: "Okay. Let's talk a little bit about your impressions or insights into ET situation that you
spoke of earlier. To me, this is the part that's most fascinating."

Dr. Neruda: "First of all, I want to explain that the ETs that interact with our world's
governments are not the same ones that interact with the Labyrinth Group."

Sarah: "But I thought you said that the Greys were involved with the ACIO, or at least one of its
factions."

Dr. Neruda: "Yes, they're also known as the Zetas, but as I said, they're many different factions
of the Greys and the one that the ACIO is working with are the alpha faction, and they don't
operate with our government organizations because they are too suspicious of them, and
frankly, don't view them as intelligent enough to even warrant their time."

Sarah: "What about the Corteum?"

Dr. Neruda: "The Corteum are a very sophisticated culture, integrating technology, culture, and
science in a very holistic manner. For different reasons, they're not involved with our
governments either, mainly because of their role with the Federation. "

Sarah: "What's the Federation -- I haven't heard you talk about it before?" Dr. Neruda: "Each
galaxy has a Federation or loose-knit organization that includes all sentient life forms on every
planet within the galaxy. It would be the equivalent of the United Nations of the galaxy. This
Federation has both invited members and observational members. Invited members are those
species that have managed to behave in a responsible manner as stewards of their planet and
combine both the technology, philosophy, and culture that enable them to communicate as a
global entity that has a unified agenda.

"Observational members are species who are fragmented and are still wrestling with one another
over land, power, money, culture, and a host of other things that prevent them from forming a
unified world government. The human race on planet earth is such a species, and for now, it is
simply observed by the Federation, but is not invited into its policy making and economic
systems."

Sarah: "Are you saying that our galaxy has a form of government and an economic system?"

Dr. Neruda: "Yes, but if I tell you about this you will lose track of what I really wanted to share
with you about the WingMakers." Sarah: "I'm sorry for taking us off track again. But this is just
too amazing to ignore. If there's a Federation of cooperative, intelligent species, why couldn't
they take care of these hostile aliens in the year 2011 or at least help us?" Dr. Neruda: "The
Federation doesn't intrude on a species of any kind. It is truly a facilitating force not a governing
force with a military presence. That is to say, they will observe and help with suggestions, but
they will not intervene on our behalf." Sarah: "Is this like the Prime Directive as it's portrayed on
Star Trek?"

Dr. Neruda: "No. It's more like a parent who wants its children to learn how to fend for
themselves so they can become greater contributors to the family." Sarah: "But wouldn't a
hostile take-over of earth effect the Federation?"

Dr. Neruda: "Most definitely. But the Federation does not preempt a species' own responsibility
for survival and the perpetuation of its genetics. You see, at an atomic level our physical bodies
are made quite literally from stars. At a sub-atomic level, our minds are non-physical
repositories of a galactic mind. At a sub-sub-atomic level, our souls are non-physical repositories
of God or the intelligence that pervades the universe.

"The Federation believes that the human species can defend itself because it is of the stars,
galactic mind, and God. If we were unsuccessful, and the hostility spread to other parts of our
galaxy, then the Federation would take notice and its members would defend their sovereignty,
and this has happened many times. And in this process of defense new technologies arise, new
friendships are forged, and new confidence is embedded in the galactic mind.

"That's why the Federation performs as they do." Sarah: "Doesn't BST exist somewhere within
the Federation?" Dr. Neruda: "Perhaps in one of the planets closer to our galactic core."

Sarah: "So why doesn't the Federation help -- you said they could help didn't you?"

Dr. Neruda: "Yes, they can help. And the Corteum are IMs or invited members and they are
helping us. But they themselves do not possess the BST technology -- this is a very special
technology that's permitted to be acquired by a species that intends to use it only as a defensive
weapon. And herein is the challenge.

Sarah: "Who does the "permitting" -- are you saying the Federation decides when a species is
ready to acquire BST?" Dr. Neruda "No -- I think it has to do with God." Sarah: "I don't know
why, but I have a hard time believing that you believe in God."

Dr. Neruda: "Well, I do. And furthermore, so does everyone within the Labyrinth Group --
including Fifteen. We've seen far too many evidences of God or a higher intelligence that we
can't dispute its existence. It would be impossible to deny based on what we've observed in our
laboratories."
Sarah: "So God decides when we're ready to responsibly use BST. Do you think he'll decide
before 2011?" (I admit there was a tone of sarcasm in this question.)

Dr. Neruda: "You see, Sarah, the Labyrinth Group is hopeful that the readiness of the entire
species isn't the determining factor, but that a subgroup within the species might be allowed to
acquire the technology as long as it was able to protect it from all non-approved forces. This
subgroup is hoped to be the Labyrinth Group, and it's one of the reasons why Fifteen has
invested so much of the ACIO's resource into security systems."

Sarah: "You didn't really answer my question though -- Do you think it can be developed in 12
years?"

Dr. Neruda: "I don't know. Certainly I hope so, but BST is not our only line of defense. The
Labyrinth Group has devised many defensive weapons, not all of which I'll describe to you. The
Animus have visited earth before, approximately three hundred million years ago, but they didn't
find anything present on our planet to cause them to invest the time and resources to colonize
our planet. When their probes return in thirteen years, they will think differently.

"Our analysis is that they will befriend our governments and utilize the United Nations as an ally.
They will set about orchestrating a unified world government through the United Nations. And
when the first elections are held in 2018, they will overtake the United Nations and rule as the
world government. This will be done through trickery and deception.

"I mention our analysis -- taken from three different RV sessions -- because they're quite
specific as to the dates, and so we have the equivalent of nineteen years to produce and deploy
BST. Ideally, yes, we'd like to have it completed in order to interface with the intervention points
for this race when it decided to crossover into our galaxy. We would like to cause them to
choose a different galaxy or abandon their quest altogether. But it may be impossible to
determine this intervention point.

"You see, the memory implant technology developed by the Labyrinth Group can be utilized in
conjunction with BST. We can define the intervention point when our galaxy was selected as a
target to colonize, enter that time and place, and impose a new memory on their leadership to
divert them from our galaxy." Sarah: "Either I'm getting tired, or this just got a lot more
confusing -- You're saying that the Labyrinth Group already has scenarios to nip this thing in the
bud -- to prevent this marauding group of aliens from even entering our galaxy? How do you
know where they are?"

Dr. Neruda: "To answer your question, I would need to explain with much more granularity the
precise nature of BST and how it differs from time travel. I'll try to explain it as simply as I can,
but it's complex, and you need to let go of some of your preconceived notions of time and space.

"You see -- time is not exclusively linear as when it's depicted in a timeline. Time is vertical with
every moment in existence stacked upon the next and all coinciding with one another. In other
words, time is the collective of all moments of all experience simultaneously existing within non-
time, which is usually referred to as eternity.

"Vertical time infers that one can select a moment of experience and use time and space as the
portal through which they make their selection real. Once the selection is made, time and space
become the continuity factor that changes vertical time into horizontal time or conventional
time."

Sarah: "You lost me. How is vertical time different from horizontal time?" Dr. Neruda: "Vertical
time has to do with the simultaneous experience of all time, and horizontal time has to do with
the continuity of time in linear, moment-by-moment experiences." Sarah: "So you're saying that
every experience I've ever had or will ever have exists right now? That the past and future are
actually the present, but I'm just too brainwashed to see it?"

Dr. Neruda "As I said before, this is a complex subject, and I'm afraid that if I spend the time
explaining it to you now, we'll lose track of more important information like BST. Perhaps if I
were to explain the nature of BST, most of your questions would be answered in the process."

Sarah: "Okay, then tell me what Blank Slate Technology is? Given the title, I assume it means
something like -- wipe out an event and change the course of history. Right?"

Dr. Neruda: "Let me try to explain it this way. Time travel can be observational in nature. In this
regard, the ACIO and other organizations -- even individual citizens -- have the ability to time
travel. But this form of time travel is passive. It's not equivalent to BST. In order to precisely
alter the future you have to be able to interact with vertical time, paging through it like a book,
until you find the precise page or intervention point relevant to your mission.

"This is where it gets so complex because to interact with vertical time means you will alter the
course of horizontal time. And understanding the alterations and their scope and implication
requires extremely complex modeling. This is why the Labyrinth Group aligned itself with the
Corteum -- its computing technology has processing capabilities that are about four thousand
times more powerful than our best supercomputers.

"This enables us to create organic, highly complex scenario models. These models tell us the
most probable intervention points once we've gathered the relevant data, and what the most
probable outcomes will be if we invoke a specific scenario. Like most complex technologies, BST
is a composite technology having five discrete and inter-related technologies.

"The first technology is a specialized form of remote viewing. This is the technology that enables
a trained operative to mentally move into vertical time and observe events and even listen to
conversations related to an inquiry mode. The operative is invisible to all people within the time
they are traveling to, so it's perfectly safe and unobtrusive. The intelligence gained from this
technology is used to determine the application of the other four technologies. This is the
equivalent of intelligence gathering.

"The second technology that is key to BST is the equivalent of a memory implant. As I
mentioned earlier, the ACIO refers to this technology as a Memory Restructure Procedure or
MRP. MRP is the technology that allows a memory to be precisely eliminated in the horizontal
time sequence and a new memory inserted in its place. The new memory is welded to the
existing memory structure of the recipient.

"You see, events -- small and large -- occur from a single thought, which becomes a persistent
memory, which in turn, becomes a causal energy center that leads the development and
materialization of the thought into reality... into horizontal time. MRP can remove the initial
thought and thereby eliminate the persistent memory that causes events to occur.

"The third technology consists of defining the intervention point. In every major decision, there
are hundreds, if not thousands, of intervention points in horizontal time as a thought unfolds and
moves through its development phase. However, in vertical time, there is only one intervention
point or what we sometimes called the causal seed. In other words, if you can access vertical
time intelligence you can identify the intervention point that is the causal seed. This technology
identifies the most probable intervention points and ranks their priority. It enables focus of the
remaining technologies.

"The fourth technology is related to the third. It's the scenario modeling technology. This
technology helps to assess the various intervention points as to their least invasive ripple effects
to the recipients. In other words, which intervention point -- if applied to a scenario model --
produces the desired outcome with the least disruption to unrelated events? The scenario
modeling technology is a key element of BST because without it, BST could cause significant
disruption to a society or entire species.

"The fifth and most puzzling technology is the interactive time travel technology. The Labyrinth
Group has the first four technologies in a ready state waiting for the interactive time travel
technology to become operational. This technology requires an operative, or a team of
operatives, to be able to physically move into vertical time and be inserted in the precise space
and time where the optimal intervention point has been determined. From there the operatives
must perform a successful MRP and return to their original time in order to validate mission
success." Sarah: "I've been listening to this explanation and I think I even understand some of
it, but it sounds so surreal to me, Dr. Neruda. I'm -- I'm at a loss to explain how I'm feeling
right now. This is all so strange. It's so big -- enormous -- I can't believe this is going on
somewhere on the same planet that I live. Before this interview, I was worried about balancing
my checkbook and when my damn car would ever be fixed -- this is just too strange."

Dr. Neruda: "Maybe we should take another break and warm up our coffee." Sarah: Signing off
for a coffee break.

(Break for about 15 minutes -- Resume interview)

Sarah: "If the Labyrinth Group has four of the five technologies ready to go, and is only awaiting
the interactive -- the interactive part, they must have scenario models and intervention points
already established for how they plan to deal with this Animus race. Do they?"

Dr. Neruda: "Yes. They have about forty scenario models and perhaps as many as eight
intervention points defined." Sarah: "And if there're that many, there must be a priority
established. What's the most probable scenario model?"

Dr. Neruda: "I will be brief on this point because it's such classified information that only the SL-
Fourteen personnel and Fifteen know this. My classification is SL --Thirteen, and so I get diluted
reports and quite possibly misinformation with regard to our scenario modeling. About all I can
tell you is that we know -- from both the prophecies and our remote viewing technology -- a
significant amount of information about this race.

"For example, we know that it hails from a galaxy that our Hubble telescope has examined as
thoroughly as possible and we've charted it as extensively as possible. We know that it's thrity-
seven million light years away and that the species is a synthetic race -- a mixture of genetic
creation and technology. It possesses a hive mentality, but individual initiative is still
appreciated as long as it is aligned with the explicit objectives of its leaders.

"Because it's a synthetic race, it can be produced in a controlled environment and its population
can be increased or decreased depending on the whims of its leaders. It is --"

Sarah: "Didn't you just say it's from a galaxy that's thirty-seven million light years away? I
mean, assuming they were able to travel at the speed of light, it would take them thirty-seven
million years to come to our planet. And you said earlier that they hadn't even crossed into our
galaxy yet, right?"

Dr. Neruda: "The Corteum come from a planet that is fifteen million light years away, and yet
they can come and go between their planet and our planet in the time it takes us to travel to the
moon -- a mere two hundred and fifty thousand miles away. Time is not linear, nor is space.
Space is curved, as your physicists have recently learned, but it can be artificially curved
through displacement energy fields that collapse space and the illusion of distance. Light
particles do not displace or collapse space, they ride a linear line through space, but there are
forms of electromagnetic energy that can modify or collapse space. And this technology makes
space travel -- even between galaxies -- not only possible, but also relatively easy."

Sarah: "Why did you say, 'your physicists' just then?"

Dr. Neruda: "I apologize -- it's just a part of the conditioning of being isolated from mainstream
society. When you operate for thirty years in a secret organization like the Labyrinth Group, you
tend to look at your fellow humans -- as not your fellow humans, but as something else. The
principles of science that the Labyrinth Group has embraced are very different from those taught
within your -- there I go again -- within our universities. I must be getting tired."

Sarah: "I didn't mean to criticize you. It's just the way you said it, it sounded as though an alien
or an outsider said it."

Dr. Neruda: "I qualify as an outsider, but certainly not an alien." Sarah: "Okay, back to this
prophecy or alien race. What do they want? I mean -- why travel such a far distance to rule
earth?" Dr. Neruda: "This seems such a funny question to me. Excuse me for laughing. It's just
that humans do not understand how special earth is. It is truly, as planets are concerned, a
special planet. It has such a tremendous bio-diversity and a complex range of ecosystems. Its
natural resources are unique and plentiful. It's a genetic library that's the equivalent of a galactic
zoo.

"The Animus desire to own this planet in order to own its genetics. As I've already mentioned,
this is a synthetic race. A species that can clone itself and fabricate more and more of its
population to serve the purpose of its colonization program. However, it desires more than the
expansion of its empire. It desires to become a soul carrier -- something reserved for pure
biological organisms. Synthetic organisms are not able to carry the higher frequencies of soul,
which absolutely require an organic nervous system."

Sarah: "So they want a soul?"

Dr. Neruda: "They want to expand throughout the universe and develop their organic nature
through genetic reengineering. They want to become soul carriers in order to achieve
immortality. They also want to prove what they already believe, that they are superior to all
other pure organics." Sarah: "So where are they right now?"

Dr. Neruda: "The Animus?"

Sarah: "Yes."

Dr. Neruda: "I assume they remain in their homeworld -- to the best of our knowledge their
probes haven't crossed into our galaxy yet."

Sarah: "And when they arrive, how will the ACIO or Labyrinth Group know?" Dr. Neruda: "As I
said, the ACIO has already done a significant amount of intelligence gathering and even selected
scenarios and intervention points."

Sarah: "So what's the plan?"

Dr. Neruda: "The most logical approach would be to travel to the time and place when the casual
thought was born to explore the Milky Way, and through MRP, expunge it from the memory of
the race. Essentially, convince them that of all the wonderful, life-inhabited galaxies, the Milky
Way is a poor choice. The Labyrinth Group would implant a memory that would lead this race to
conclude that our galaxy was not worthy of their serious exploration."
Sarah: "So some other galaxy becomes their next target? Wouldn't we bear the responsibility of
their next conquest? Aren't we then perpetrators ourselves?"

Dr. Neruda: "This is a fair question, but I'm afraid I don't know how to answer it."

Sarah: "Why couldn't we -- using this MRP technology -- simply implant a memory not to be
aggressive? To tell this race to stop trying to colonize new worlds that aren't theirs to own like
property. Why couldn't we do this?"

Dr. Neruda: "Perhaps we will. I don't really know what Fifteen has in mind. I am, though,
confident in his approach and its efficacy." Sarah: "But you said earlier that you feared for your
life -- that Fifteen is probably trying to hunt you down even as we speak. Why are so you
confident in his sense of morality?"

Dr. Neruda: "In the case of Fifteen, morality doesn't really play a role. He operates in his own
code of ethics, and I don't pretend to understand them all. But I'm quite certain of his mission to
avert take-over by this alien race, and I'm equally confident that he will choose the best
intervention point with the least influence to the Animus. It's the only way he can acquire BST.
And he knows this." Sarah: "We're back to God again, aren't we?"

Dr. Neruda: "Yes."

Sarah: "So God and Fifteen have this all figured out?"

Dr. Neruda: "There's no certainty if that's what you mean. And there's no alliance between
Fifteen and God, at least not that I'm aware of. This is part of the belief system that the
Labyrinth Group formalized along the path to developing BST. It's logical to us that God is all-
powerful and all knowing because it operates as the universal mind field that interpenetrates all
life, all time, all space, all energy -- and all existence. This consciousness is impartial, but
certainly it's in a position to deny things or, perhaps more accurately, delay their acquisition."
Sarah: "If God exists everywhere as you say, then why wouldn't he stop this marauding alien
race and keep them in their place?"

Dr. Neruda: "Again, a fair question, but one that I can't answer. I can only tell you that the God
I believe in is, as I said before, impartial. Meaning that it allows its creation to express
themselves as they desire. At the highest level where God operates, all things have a purpose --
even aggressive species that desire to dominate other species and planets. It was Fifteen's belief
that God orchestrated nothing but understood everything in the universal mind.

"Remember when I was talking about the galactic mind?" Sarah: "Yes."

Dr. Neruda: "There are planetary minds, solar minds, galactic minds, and a singular universal
mind. The universal mind is the mind of God. Each galaxy has a collective consciousness or mind
field that is the aggregation of all of the species present within that galaxy. The universal mind
creates the initial blueprint for each of the galaxies related to its galactic mind or composite
consciousness. This initial blueprint creates the pre-disposition of the genetic code seeded within
a galaxy. We, the Labyrinth Group, believed that God designed each galaxy's genetic code with a
different set of pre-dispositions or behaviors."

Sarah: "And why would this be so?"

Dr. Neruda: "So diversity is amplified across the universe, which in turn permits God to
experience the broadest continuum of life." Sarah: "Why is this so important?"
Dr. Neruda: "Because God loves to experiment and devise new ways of experiencing life in all of
its dimensions. This may very well be the purpose of the universe." Sarah: "You know you're
talking like a preacher? You speak like these are certainties or truths that are just self-evident --
but they're just beliefs aren't they?" Dr. Neruda: "Yes, they're beliefs, but beliefs are important
don't you think?"

Sarah: "I'm not sure -- I mean my beliefs are changing every day. They're not stable or
anchored in some deep truth that's constant like bedrock or something." Dr. Neruda: "Well,
that's good -- I mean that they change. The Labyrinth Group evolved a very specific set of
beliefs -- some of these were based on our experiences as a result of the Corteum intelligence
enhancement technologies, some were based from ancient texts that were studied, and some
were borrowed from our ET contacts." Sarah: "So now you're going to tell me our friendly
neighborhood ETs are religious zealots?"

Dr. Neruda: "No -- no, I don't mean that they were trying to convert us to their beliefs, we
simply asked and they related them to us. Upon hearing them, they seemed quite a bit more like
science than religion actually. I think that's the nature of a more evolved species -- they finally
figure out that science and religion converges into cosmology. That understanding the universe
in which we live also causes us to understand ourselves -- which is the purpose of religion and
science -- or at least should be."

Sarah: "Okay, this is getting a little too philosophical for my tastes. Can we return to a question
about the WingMakers? If, as you say, there's a galactic federation that governs the Milky Way,
how do the WingMakers factor into this federation?"

Dr. Neruda: "I'm impressed by the nature of your questions. And I wish I could answer them all,
but here again, I don't know the answer." Sarah: "But if you can use your remote viewing
technology to eavesdrop on this alien race in an entirely different galaxy, why can't you observe
the Federation?"

Dr. Neruda: "As for the Federation, they're fully aware of our remote viewing capability, and in
fact, we can't eavesdrop on the Federation because they're able to detect our presence if we
observe them through remote viewing. So, in deference to their privacy and trusting their
agenda, we never imposed our technology on the Federation -- perhaps only once or twice."

Sarah: "You'll have to forgive me Dr. Neruda, but I find all of this a little hard to believe. We've
skimmed the surface of about a hundred different subjects through the course of this interview,
and I keep coming back to the same basic issue: Why? Why would the universe be set up this
way and no one on earth know about it? Why all the secrecy? Does someone think we humans
are so stupid that we couldn't understand it? And who the hell is this somebody?"

Dr. Neruda: "Unfortunately, there are so many conspiracies to keep this vital information out of
the public domain, that what ends up in the hands of the public is diluted to the point of
uselessness. I can understand your frustration. I can only tell you that there are people who
know about these things, but only Fifteen knows about the larger reality of what we've touched
on tonight.

"In other words, and this is to your point, Sarah, there are some people within the military,
government, secret network, NSA, CIA, etc. that know parts of the whole, but they don't
understand the whole. They aren't equipped with the knowledge to stand before the media and
explain what's happening. They fear that they would be made to appear feeble by the fact that
they only know pieces of what's going on. It's like the story of the three blind men who are all
touching different parts of an elephant and each thinks it is something different.

"Fifteen withholds his knowledge from the media and the general public because he doesn't want
to be seen as a savior of humanity -- the next messiah. And he especially doesn't want to be
seen as some fringe lunatic that should be locked up, or worse yet, assassinated because he is
so misunderstood. The instant he stepped forward with what he knows he would lose his privacy
and his ability to discover BST. And this he'll never do.

"Most people who know about this greater reality are fearful of stepping into the public scrutiny
because of the fear of being ridiculed. You have to admit, that the general public is frightened by
what it doesn't understand, and they do kill the messenger."

Sarah: "But why can't we get even partial truths about this picture of reality -- about ETs and
the Federation? Someone, the media or government or someone else is keeping this information
from us. Like the story you were telling me about the Martians. If this is true and Clinton knows
about this, why aren't we being told?"

Dr. Neruda: "There's a cynical part of me that would say something like -- why do you watch six
hours of television every day? Why do you feed your minds exclusively with the opinions of
others? Why do you trust your politicians? Why do you trust your governments? Why do you
support the destruction of your ecosystems and the companies and governments that perpetrate
this destruction?

"You see, because the whole of humanity allows these things to occur, the wool is pulled over
your eyes and it's easy to ration information and direct your attention to mundane affairs like
the weather and Hollywood." Sarah: "That's fine for you to say -- someone who's IQ can't be
charted. But for those of us with average intelligence, what are we supposed to do differently
that would give us access to this information -- to this larger reality?" Dr. Neruda: "I don't know.
I honestly don't know. I don't pretend to have the answers. But somehow humans need to be
more demanding of their governments and even the media. Because the media is a big part of
this manipulation, though they're not aware of how they've become pawns of the information
cover-up.

"The truth of the matter is that no one entity is to blame. Elitists have always existed since the
dawn of man. There have always been those who had more aggression and power and would
dominate the weaker of the species. This is the fundamental structure that has bred this
condition of information cover-up, and it happens in every sector of society, including religion,
government, military, science, academia, and business.

"No one created this playing field to be level and equal for all. It was designed to enable free will
and reality selection based on individual preferences. And for those who have the mental
capacity to probe into these secrets behind the secrets behind the secrets, they usually find
pieces of this larger reality -- as you put it. It's not entirely hidden -- there are books and
individuals and even prophesies that corroborate much of what I've spoken of here tonight. And
these are readily available to anyone who wants to understand this larger universe in which we
live.

"So, to answer your question: 'what are we supposed to do differently?' I would read and study.
I would invest time learning about this larger universe and turn off the television and disconnect
from the media. That's what I would do." Sarah: "Maybe this is a good place to wrap things up.
Unless you have anything else you'd like to add."

Dr. Neruda: "Only one thing, and that is that if anyone ever reads this interview, please do so
with an empty mind. If you bring a mind full of learning and education and opinion, you'll find so
much to argue with in what I've said that you'll not hear anything. And I'm not interested in
arguing with anyone. I'm not even that interested in convincing anyone of what I've said. My life
will go on even if no one believes me.

"The WingMakers have built a time capsule of their culture and it's magnificent. I wish I could
take people to the original site so they could stand before each of the twenty-three chambers
and witness these wall paintings in person. If you were to do this, you would understand that art
can be a portal that transports the soul to a different dimension. There is a certain energy that
these paintings have that can't be translated in mere photographs. You really need to stand
inside these chambers and feel the purposeful nature of this time capsule.

"I think if I could do that, you would believe what I've said." Sarah: "Could you take someone
like me to the site?"

Dr. Neruda: "No. Unfortunately, the security system surrounding this site is so sophisticated, the
site entrance, for all intents and purposes, is invisible. All I have are my photographs."

Sarah: "You're saying that if I walked right up to the site, I wouldn't be able to see it?" Dr.
Neruda: "Cloaking technology is not just a science fiction concept. It's been developed for more
than ten years. It's used much more frequently than people realize. And I'm not talking about its
diluted version of stealth technology; I'm talking about the ability to superimpose a reality
construction over an existing reality that's desired to be hidden.

"For instance, you could walk right up to the entrance of the Ancient Arrow site and see nothing
that would look like an entrance or opening. To the observer it would be a flat wall of rock. And
it would have all the characteristics of rock -- texture, hardness and so forth, but it's actually a
reality construction that is superimposed on the mind of the observer. In reality the entrance is
there, but it can't be observed because the mind has been duped into the projected reality
construction."

Sarah: "Great, so there's no way to enter this site and experience this time capsule -- so once
again, us little humans are prevented from the experience of proof. You see, the reason why this
is so hard to believe is that nothing is ever proven!"

Dr. Neruda: "But isn't proof in the eye of the beholder? In other words, what is proof for you
may not convince another or vice a versa. Isn't this the way of all religions and even science?
Scientists claim to have proof of this theory or that theory, and then some years later, another
scientist comes along and disproves the previously held theory. And on and on this goes."

Sarah: "So what's your point?"

Dr. Neruda: "Proof is not absolute. It's not even objective. And what you're looking for is an
experience that is permanent and perfect in its expression of truth. And such an experience, if it
indeed exists, is not owned or possessed by any secret network or elitist organization or galactic
federation for that matter.

"You could have this experience of absolute proof tomorrow, and the very next day, doubt would
begin to creep in and in a matter of weeks or months this proof, or absolute truth, that you
aspire to possess -- it would be just a memory. And probably not even a powerful memory
because so much doubt would be infused into it.

"No, I can't give you or anyone absolute proof. I can only tell you what I know to be true for me
and try to share it as accurately as I know how with anyone who's interested. I'm less interested
in trying to relate the cosmology of the universe than I am in getting the story of the
WingMakers and the artifacts of their time capsule into the public attention. The public should
know about this story. It's a discovery of unparalleled importance and it should be shared."

Sarah: "You do realize don't you, that you've made me the messenger? You've asked me to be
the one who takes the public scrutiny and suspicions, and has to endure all of the ridicule."

Dr. Neruda: "I'm not asking you to do anything against your will, Sarah. If you never do
anything with the materials I've given you, I'd understand. All I'd ask is that you return them to
me if you're not going to get them out. If I step forward as the messenger, I would lose my
freedom. If you step forward, this story could catapult your career and you're only doing your
job. You're not the messenger, you're the transmitter -- the media.

"But you must do what you think best. And I'd understand your decision whatever you decide."

Sarah: "Okay, let's wrap it up there. I don't want you to get the wrong impression that I'm a
total disbeliever. But I'm a journalist and it's my responsibility to validate and cross check
stories before I publish them. And with you, I can't do this. And what you're telling me, if it's
true, is the biggest story ever to be told. But I can't take this to the media -- at least not the
company I work for, because they would never publish it. No validation -- no story.

Dr. Neruda: "Yes, I understand. But I've shown you some of the ACIO technologies and photos
of the site and its contents, so these must be some form of validation."

Sarah: "For me, it validates that something is going on that I've never heard about. Namely, the
ACIO is a new organization that's never been talked about -- at least not in my journalistic
circles. But your photographs and stories don't validate what you've explained tonight. They're
in the category of teasers. Something the National Enquirer is fond of broadcasting, but this isn't
the brand of journalism I subscribe to."

Dr. Neruda: "Let's talk some more in the next few days. Take the time to read some of the
materials translated from the optical disc, and in the meantime, just be neutral. Okay?"

Sarah: "Don't assume I'm not interested, or too much a skeptic to do anything with this stuff. I
just need some time to get my bearings as to what I should do with this story and the evidence
you've provided."

Dr. Neruda: "I promised you several interviews before I left. Are we still on for tomorrow night?"
Sarah: "Yes. But how more is there than what you've already explained?"

Dr. Neruda: "We've only touched on the surface of a small portion of the story."

Sarah: "That's a little hard to believe, but let's pick up tomorrow night, then."

Dr. Neruda: "Thanks for your interest in my story, Sarah... I know it sounds outlandish, but at
least you've shown restraint in writing me off as a lunatic. And for that, you have my thanks.

Sarah: "You're very welcome."

End of Session

Entrevistas De Neruda

Entrevista 2

Qué sigue es una sesión que registré del Dr. Neruda de diciembre el 28 de 1997. Él dio el
permiso para que registre sus respuestas a mis preguntas. Ésta es la transcripción de esa
sesión. Éste era una de cinco veces que podía grabar nuestras conversaciones. He preservado
estas transcripciones exacto como ocurrieron. No se realizó el ningún corregir, y he intentado mi
mejor para incluir las palabras exactas, expresando, y gramática usada por el Dr. Neruda.
(se recomienda que usted lee de diciembre el 27, la entrevista 1997 antes de leer éste.)

Sarah: "antes de que comenzamos la sesión de la esta noche, deseé decirle que haya escuchado
la cinta del ayer por la noche y haber utilizadolo para formular algunas nuevas preguntas. Noté
que estaba todo sobre el lugar con respecto a mis preguntas, y voy esta noche a intentar y a
permanecer enfocado. Soy tan advertencia justa usted que si consigo de pista otra vez, me
recuerde permanecer en curso. Autorización?"

El Dr. Neruda: "haré ciertamente mi mejor... aunque no soy seguro cuál es su curso."

Sarah: "bien, conjeturo que quisiera permanecer centrado más en el WingMakers y los
artefactos de su cápsula del tiempo."

El Dr. Neruda: "que está muy bien con mí. Pero déjeme hacen una clarificación primero.

"el sitio antiguo de la flecha fue etiquetado inicialmente como cápsula extraterrestre del tiempo,
o etc, sin embargo, no es realmente, en mi opinión, una cápsula del tiempo."

Sarah: "bueno, vamos comenzar a la derecha allí. Cuál es exactamente, en su opinión?"

El Dr. Neruda: "el sitio es parte de una estructura más grande que se interconecte con algunos
medios que no entiendo. Sabemos los sitios del there're siete que se han construido en la tierra
-- probablemente en el noveno siglo. Sabemos que estos sitios tienen cierto propósito defensivo,
y nosotros sabemos que los sitios que los planificadores se representan son portadores de la
cultura, y son representantes más probable de la raza central."

Sarah: "oigo mucho sobre la ' arma defensiva ', pero cómo se pueden estas pinturas de la pared
o los artefactos de la música considerar pieza de una arma defensiva?"

El Dr. Neruda: "sabemos de nuestras sesiones de RV, de que que el WingMakers diseñó estos
sitios para ser más que una arma defensiva, si no, como usted precisa, los artefactos culturales
no tendría ningún sentido. Sin embargo, también no tiene sentido que estarían totalmente sin
relación a los objetivos de una arma defensiva. Haría la hipótesis que son disparadores de la
DNA."

Sarah: "usted significa que activan algo dentro de nuestra DNA -- como usted describía el ayer
por la noche?"

El Dr. Neruda: "corrija."

Sarah: "y cómo hace esto relaciónese con una arma defensiva?"

El Dr. Neruda: "era nuestra hipótesis que los artefactos culturales, si estuvieron estudiados o
examinados, de alguna manera activarían partes de nuestra DNA. Para qué propósito no
estábamos seguros, solamente intuit de I que tiene algo hacer con estimular nuestra inteligencia
flúida y permitir las entradas sensoriales que han sido inactivas dentro de nuestro sistema
nervioso central."

Sarah: "y usted tiene una hipótesis en cuanto a porqué?"

El Dr. Neruda: "probablemente los realces al sistema nervioso central hacen la arma defensiva
más eficaz."
Sarah: "es así que fácil maldito conseguir desviado cuando habla con usted, pero voy a
oponerme a la tentación de moverse en una línea del discurso neurológico, no que sé cualquier
cosa sobre él de todos modos.

"dígame más sobre su papel con la cápsula del tiempo del WingMakers -- o lo que usted desea
para llamarlo."

El Dr. Neruda: "pienso para la exactitud y consistencia, podemos referirle como el sitio antiguo
de la flecha. Como I dicho antes, soy confidente que no es una cápsula del tiempo.

"a su pregunta, aunque, trabajaba con una computadora llamamos ZEMI, ayudando a traducir
los datos contenidos en el disco óptico encontrado en el vigésimo tercero compartimiento del
sitio. Contuvo el texto, cuadros del símbolo, ecuaciones matemáticas, y qué resultó ser archivos
de la música.

"una vez que el sitio fue localizado, mi foco primario era descifrar el disco óptico y hacer los
datos en esto sensibles y, tanto como sea posible, aplicables al BST."

Sarah: "hizo cualquiera de él se aplican al BST?"

El Dr. Neruda: "no no directamente, por lo menos nada que he leído. El texto estaba de una
naturaleza más filosófica. Era primer para leer su lengua. Una vez que abriéramos el disco
óptico, imprimimos ocho mil páginas forty-five de los cuadros del símbolo como los que esta'
contenidos en su trabajo de arte, excepto mucho más variado, y, en algunos casos, mucho más
complejo. Había 23 capítulos de los cuadros del texto o del símbolo -- cada uno que consistía en
cerca de 350 páginas.

"leí el primer segmento o capítulo de este texto y fui sorprendido para encontrar que hubiera los
pasos del texto -- en la introducción -- que eran solamente legibles a mí. Ésta era confirmación
adicional que tenía un papel a jugar en conseguir esta información en el public domain."

Sarah: "es usted que dice que el texto que usted leyó desaparecido después de que usted lo
leyera o que usted lo suprimió?"

El Dr. Neruda: "desapareció. Se suprimió."

Sarah: Tan solamente los primeros ojos verían el mensaje?"

El Dr. Neruda: "corrija."

Sarah: "tan qué dijo?"

El Dr. Neruda: "yo recite de la lata las palabras exactas si usted tiene gusto, solamente él
tomaría algunos minutos."

Sarah: "déme un resumen."

El Dr. Neruda: "la esencia de este paso validaba lo que había sabido el ACIO ya -- que el animus
enviaba puntas de prueba en 2011, y lo fue escrito en la forma de una advertencia. Indicó que el
WingMakers había instalado una arma defensiva en la tierra que haría el planeta invisible a las
puntas de prueba del animus."

Sarah: ¿"invisible? Cómo?"

El Dr. Neruda: "no explicaron con ninguna precisión. Escribieron que frecuencias más altas
emanaban del universo central, y que estos siete sitios abarcaron una tecnología colectiva que
coordinó de alguna manera estas frecuencias o energías más altas para traer alrededor de una
cambio en la estructura vibratoria del planeta, permitiendo a vida en el planeta sobrevivir la
cambio y seguir siendo desapercibida por el animus."

Sarah: "todas las formas de la vida?"

El Dr. Neruda: "técnico, el texto no especificó."

Sarah: "y esto estaba para sus ojos solamente?"

El Dr. Neruda: "sí, el operador de ZEMI no encontró ninguna evidencia de esta sección del texto.
Desapareció totalmente."

Sarah: "qué más dijo?"

El Dr. Neruda: "confirmó que nos estamos ocupando de la raza central, y que quisieran que los
artefactos culturales de los siete sitios fueran compartidos con el público. Estos elementos
fueron conectados con la eficacia de la arma defensiva."

Sarah: "de qué manera?"

El Dr. Neruda: "en el sentido que los materiales activan los aspectos de nuestra DNA que hacen
la cambio más fácil, o quizás posible, no estoy seguro porque eran un pedacito vago."

Sarah: "así pues, la filosofía leyendo me supongo poder llegar a ser invisible?"

El Dr. Neruda: "pienso que es más holística que ésa. Se fueron detrás de poesía, de música, de
pinturas, e incluso de un glosario. Se parece a mí que todos estos elementos -- además de la
filosofía -- están conectados. También, estoy sugiriendo que algo fundamental los cambios
cuando se absorben estos materiales, y quizás este cambio, lo que es, resuena con la tecnología
de los siete sitios."

Sarah: "sonidos far-fetched a mí. Porqué usted cree esto?"

El Dr. Neruda: "he absorbido los materiales y he notado cambios."

Sarah: "por ejemplo?"

El Dr. Neruda: "deserté del ACIO. A mí, ése es el cambio más grande imaginable."

Sarah: "usted no está implicando que los materiales que usted ha leído inducido le para desertar
son usted?"

El Dr. Neruda: "era una combinación de muchas cosas, pero tenía ciertamente un impacto
significativo en mi decisión. usted leyó cualesquiera de los materiales I a la izquierda ayer por la
noche?"

Sarah: "leí la primera sección y una poco del glosario. No lo entendía. Era demasiado abstracto.
Tenía un efecto en mí sin embargo -- manejó ponerme para dormir."
El Dr. Neruda: "sé que es un poco intenso, pero usted tiene que admitir, es muy interesante si
por ninguna otra razón que ellos está el representante de cómo nuestros antepasados distantes
piensan y creo."

Sarah: "y usted tiene una copia de las todas las páginas del texto?"

El Dr. Neruda: "sí."

Sarah: "y puedo verlo?"

El Dr. Neruda: "sí, solamente no es algo que llevo alrededor con mí."

Sarah: "dígame un poco sobre el proceso de la traducción puesto que usted estuvo implicado en
él?"

El Dr. Neruda: "la traducción es la llave a la utilidad del disco óptico, y con un sistema de
experimentos cuidadosamente ordenado, conducido por ZEMI, podíamos tener acceso a los
ficheros de datos del disco en cinco días."

Sarah: "cómo usted sabe que la traducción es exacta?"

El Dr. Neruda: "dentro del disco, una vez que fuera alcanzado, estaban los índices de las
traducciones que permitieron a su texto imprimir hacia fuera en inglés perfecto, o cerca de
sesenta otras idiomas. Nos llevó dos días la figura fuera de cómo tener acceso al disco, pero una
vez que lo hiciéramos, podíamos tener acceso a las 24 secciones del texto en el palmo de las
horas de los diecisiete."

El disgusto de las traducciones, y la una en las cuales tenemos menos confianza es la música."

Sarah: "bueno, estoy alegre usted traje para arriba la música porque no entiendo ese elemento
de la cápsula del tiempo."

El Dr. Neruda: "cómo usted significa eso?"

Sarah: "era la música ya en el disco óptico y usted lo capturó simplemente del disco, o era él
produjo básicamente por el grupo del laberinto basado en las notaciones musicales?"

El Dr. Neruda: "realmente, era un poco una combinación de los dos. Sus notaciones musicales
eran muy exactas y ellas a la izquierda las muestras digitales de cada uno de sus instrumentos
-- incluso vocals. Tradujimos tan simplemente sus muestras digitales a un MIDI estándar y
produjimos nuestra propia versión de su música."

Sarah: "estaba tan usted implicado en las traducciones de la música también?"

El Dr. Neruda: "sí. Ayudé en el descubrimiento inicial de su notación musical y ayudé con los
índices de la traducción. No estuve implicado en su fase de la producción, aunque era muy
curioso en cuanto a como lo que sonaría."

Sarah: "puedo oír cualesquiera de estas composiciones?"

El Dr. Neruda: "sí, por supuesto. Cuando me fui, el ACIO había traducido con éxito diez de las
veintitrés composiciones de la música. Tengo éstos. Y se han convertido a los estándares del CD
y del cassette. También tengo archivos completos de las trece composiciones restantes en su
forma cruda, de-construida."
Sarah: "How were they produced exactly?"

Dr. Neruda: "Do you mean that technically or artistically?"

Sarah: "I guess both."

Dr. Neruda: "On the technical end we needed to step their samples down to a resolution of 384-
bit in order to use them in our computer systems. When we first heard the samples of
instrumentation, we were somewhat relieved to hear familiar sounds. There were some that
were different, but for the most part, the digital samples that were encoded on the optical disc
were the same as contemporary musical instruments heard around the world.

"Once we had captured their samples and organized them into octaves, we took their
compositional notations and essentially let the computer select the digital instrumentation based
on their samples. Eventually this all had to be stepped down to a 24-bit commercial CD
mastering system, which was them pressed on a CD and recorded onto a cassette tape.

"As for the artistic production, there really wasn't much that we did. The computers did all the
interpretative work and essentially performed the production for that matter. We had some of
our staff perform overdubs on various versions to experiment with the compositions. The music
was very popular, particularly when you listened to it at a sampling resolution of 384-bit."

Sarah: "Didn't anyone wonder why the time capsule included a musical construction kit instead
of just having a recording of the music? I mean, why have us bring an artistic interpretation to
their music?"

Dr. Neruda: "Everything was wondered about in the Ancient Arrow project. Everything.

"We didn't know why they did it the way they did it, but again our hypothesis was that the
WingMakers didn't have a way to bring their music into our world because we lacked the
technology to listen to it. So they disassembled their music into -- as you put it -- a construction
kit, which enabled us to reconstruct the music so it could be listened to on our technology. It's
the most logical reason.

"There were several of us who were able to experience chambers one and two as a completely
integrated form of expression and it was a very powerful experience--to say the least. When you
hear the music in 384-bit resolution with the original paintings, standing inside the actual
chamber in which they were placed, it is a very moving and spiritual experience. Unlike any I've
ever had."

Sarah: "In what way?"

Dr. Neruda: "Just that the sense of being pulled out of your body and into the portal of the
painting is irresistible. There is a very strong sense of movement into and beyond these
paintings, and the music and paintings are only two of the art forms, the third, the poetry is also
part of the experience."

Sarah: "So tell me about the poetry."

Dr. Neruda: "The poems are expressive of a wide range of subjects. To most of us at the ACIO,
they could have been written by any contemporary poet. There was really nothing that caused
them to stand out as representing a culture billions of years older than our own. Many of the
same themes about spirituality, love, relationships, and death were evident in their poems as
well. There're actually two poems for each chamber painting, so there's a total of 46 poems.
Sarah: "That's interesting. Everything else -- the paintings, music, artifacts, and philosophy -- is
placed one-per-chamber. Why do you suppose they've placed two poems in each chamber
instead of one?"

Dr. Neruda: "In my opinion it was to provide a broader perspective into the particular theme
represented by a specific chamber. The poetry appears to be designed in such a way to provide
both a personal and universal perspective in each of the chambers--but again, it's just a working
hypothesis at this time."

Sarah: "I assume from the examples you left me, that the poetry is also a bit less abstract when
compared to their philosophy and paintings. Have you considered how the poetry is related to
the paintings?"

Dr. Neruda: "Yes. And I believe the poetry and the paintings have the strongest connection of all
the objects in each of the chambers. I think the paintings illustrate -- in some subtle way -- the
themes represented in the poetry. In some instances, when the painting represents an
assemblage of abstract objects, the poetry is also more abstract. When the painting is more
illustrative, the poetry seems more like prose."

Sarah: Are you saying then that the poetry carries the central meaning of each chamber?"

Dr. Neruda: "I'm not sure, but it does seem that the poetry is somehow implied symbolically in
the chamber painting that it's associated with. The problem is that the poetry is so highly
interpretive that it's impossible to know precisely what its theme is intended to be. Also, and I
should have mentioned this before, but the grammar and syntax of their language is very
different from ours in that they have no end to their language punctuated with periods.

"In other words, if we made a literal translation, there would be no sentence structure--more
like a logic syntactical approach--which simply means an abstracted language flow which would
be, for most people, very difficult to understand. When I was doing the translations of the
poetry, I placed it in a sentence structure that fragmented its meaning so that it could be better
understood. Perhaps in the process I unintentionally changed the meaning, but it was either that
or the poetry would be too abstracted to understand."

Sarah: "Is there a connection between the poetry and the philosophy of each chamber?"

Dr. Neruda: "My colleague and I felt that all of the objects within a specific chamber were
connected--probably in ways we couldn't fathom. We were constantly worried that the
translation indexes were somehow inaccurate, and that this was limiting our ability to see the
linkages between the various objects. And of course the most puzzling connection was the
technology artifacts because we had no way to probe or reach any conclusions about their
purpose or function."

Sarah: "Let's talk a little bit about the artifacts found in each chamber. The only one that I've
really heard about was the one found in the twenty-third chamber, the optical disc. I know
you've shown me some photos of the others, but could you describe them better?"

Dr. Neruda: "The optical disc is the only artifact of the twenty-third we found that the AICO had
successfully accessed, at least that I'm aware of. The other artifacts were all taken to the
Labyrinth Group's research laboratory in Southern California immediately after they were
discovered. These were never acknowledged to anyone below a security level twelve clearance.
There were rumors within the broader ACIO that there were technologies within the Ancient
Arrow site, but these never gained any serious consideration, and certainly not by the NSA.

"The technology artifacts were of the greatest curiosity to Fifteen because they represented
possible solutions to BST. And, as I mentioned earlier, Fifteen and most of the Labyrinths Group
for that matter, felt that the WingMakers may not allow the Labyrinth Group to deploy BST.
Hence, Fifteen considered the WingMakers as possible foes, instead of allies."

Sarah: "But what I've seen doesn't look very advanced or based in high technology. They could
pass for crystals or rocks--or something organic. Why was the Labyrinth Group so intrigued by
them?"

Dr. Neruda: "The crystalline structures that were found, in most cases, did look quite ordinary in
the sense that when they were examined by the eye, they appeared to be crystals, but when
you looked at them through various molecular and atomic analyses, it was obvious that they
were manmade objects. In other words, they were synthetic crystalline structures, and we held
the hypothesis that they were encoded with information much like the optical disc or the
paintings. We also held the hypothesis that they were potentially connected to the optical disc
since it was the last of the artifacts and seemed the equivalent of a keystone or master key."

Sarah: "Did any of the text translated from the optical disc refer to the other artifacts?"

Dr. Neruda: "No, to our disappointment, there were no references."

Sarah: "You didn't answer my question about whether you felt there was a connection between
the technology artifacts and the specific cultural artifacts related to each chamber."

Dr. Neruda: "Sorry, I guess it's my turn to get side-tracked tonight. Anyway, yes, there were
connections--we were certain of this, but at the same time, because we couldn't get inside the
artifacts and probe them, we couldn't prove our theory. Consequently, we placed all of our time
and energy on the optical disc because is seemed to be the most important of the artifacts as
well as the one we had the best chance of accessing through our technology."

Sarah: "Why?"

Dr. Neruda: "You must bear in mind that the technology artifacts were extremely alien to our
technologies. Other than the optical disc, the other technologies were a combination of synthetic
materials based on organic structures, and in some instances actually possessed human DNA
within their structures. These were--"

Sarah: "You're saying that the technologies were in part human?"

Dr. Neruda: "Yes... in a way. But what I was going to say, is that these artifacts seemed to have
molecular-based computer systems that activated by a specific human touch. And we weren't
certain whether it was literally a specific human, or a specific type of human, or perhaps any
human in a specific state of emotion or mind. We had one hundred and fifteen possible
experiments developed for testing and all failed."

Sarah: "But this is real odd--why would human DNA be inside a technology--and this talk about
synthetic crystals--it leaves me cold."

Dr. Neruda: "We had some similar misgivings until we were able to translate some of the text
within the optical disc. The philosophical papers from chambers one and two convinced us that
the WingMakers could indeed be authentic and we had no other reason to disbelieve their story.
That's not to say that we suspended all of our disbelief or caution, but the philosophy was a
breakthrough to our understanding of their perceived mission with contemporary humankind."

Sarah: "I don't know--I read the first two philosophy papers you left for me, and I could believe
that they're from an alien race. I could also believe that they're from a deceptive race that uses
philosophy and all this cultural stuff to lull us into believing they're benevolent when in fact
they're not at all. I mean isn't that part of the prophecy you spoke about last night?"

Dr. Neruda: "Well, I see you remain the ever-skeptical journalist. I'm actually glad to see that
reaction.

"Sarah, all I can tell you is that when you take into account all of the cultural artifacts found
within the Ancient Arrow site, and you immerse yourself in their content and philosophy, it's
hard to believe they originate from evil intent."

Sarah: "Unless that's exactly what they wanted you to believe."

Dr. Neruda: "Perhaps. It's hard to debate such a thing. I think at some point it's an individual
decision. The Labyrinth Group -- and I'm including the Corteum when I say that -- was in
agreement that it was an authentic disclosure from the Central Race, and felt confident that we
were not dealing with deception. But we never close the door to that possibility. Our security and
operations directors put contingency plans in place in the event evidence was accumulated that
increased the probability of fraud or deception."

Sarah: "One of things that seemed odd to me, having looked at the photographs of the chamber
paintings, was how similar they all were. They were clearly done by the same artist--or I
suppose a group of artists. But when I think of a time capsule, I would think you would include a
variety of art from a diverse assortment of artists that represent a variety of perspectives and so
forth. And that isn't the case here. Why do you suppose?"

Dr. Neruda: "I don't think their motive was to inform us about their artists or the diversity of
their artistic culture. I think they intend that the art function initially as a form of
communication, and subsequently as a form of time travel or moving out of the body
consciousness. The continuity of the 23 paintings seen as a whole seem to be inviting the
consciousness of the observer to quite literally step into the world of the WingMakers. As though
they were portals, and I've experienced this myself.

"The paintings are incredibly brilliant in their colors. You really can't imagine how much impact
they have when you see them in person, particularly after their cleaning and restoration was
completed. But even when they were first discovered without any touch-up, it was eerie how
luminous they were and vibrant in their colors after 1,150 years. There were many times when
those of us who were involved in restoration and cataloging of the artifacts, would sit in the
chambers and stare at these paintings. On several occasions I did this for hours just letting my
eyes wander through the painting, and imagining the mind of the artist and what they were
trying to communicate. It was a very powerful experience."

Sarah: "I think they'd scare me a little bit."

Dr. Neruda: "I'm only laughing because I had such an experience. One night after a long day of
working in the artifact chambers, I was left as the last one inside the site. I had been so
absorbed in what I was doing I scarcely remembered being told to activate the security system
on my way out. About a half-hour went by, and I finally realized I was alone inside the time
capsule--the silence was incredible. Any rate, I was walking down the corridor that connected all
of the 23 chambers, and passed each chamber and I began to feel a presence that was
overwhelming. Every time I would come upon one of the chambers I expected something from
the painting to jump out at me. They literally seemed alive.

"Our lighting was a very high quality portable halogen system and every chamber was outfitted
precisely the same. When I got to the bottom of the corridor -- what we called the spiral
staircase -- and looked into chamber two, I clearly saw motion and nearly jumped out of my
skin. Not necessarily out of fear, but out of excitement I suppose, though there was fear as well.
But this motion was simply a blurred image of something stepping out of the painting and then
disappearing into thin air--I couldn't really--"

Sarah: "What was it? Was it human?"

Dr. Neruda: "I couldn't see it clearly enough to tell you what it was, but I began to theorize that
some of the chamber paintings may have purposes beyond just visual stimulation. Our RV also
had some experiences of sensing motion in the paintings, feeling as though she was being pulled
out of her body."

Sarah: "This may seem to be an odd, off-the-wall question, but how do you know this wasn't all
a hoax? That someone or some group created this whole thing to look like an alien or future
time capsule just for the fun of playing with your minds?"

Dr. Neruda: "The one thing we know for certain is that this is not a hoax. The Ancient Arrow site
consists of an enormous rock structure that has literally been hollowed out in the form of a helix
that detours every ten meters into a separate chamber -- twenty-three to be exact. The entire
structure would have taken an incredible technology to build. We have accurate dating of when
the chamber paintings were created, and they were conclusively produced in the ninth century,
and we're certain that this technology didn't exist then."

Sarah: "I'm not trying to argue with you--but if these artifacts are really from the Central Race,
it just seems so odd that they'd be buried inside a huge rock in the middle of nowhere--in New
Mexico of all places. And it also seems odd that they'd go to all this work, but make it so damn
hard to understand what the hell they were trying to say. Do you see what I mean?"

Dr. Neruda: "Yes, I understand, and I don't take your questions as argumentative. But the point
I'm making is that this site is indeed a set of real objects. And these objects don't even
correspond to the same time frame. For example, while the paintings were created about eleven
hundred years ago, the artifacts do not even respond to our carbon dating or biochemical
analysis. To complicate matters, the pictographs in and around the Ancient Arrow site were
determined to have been created in the past fifty years, and could very well have been done in
the year, or month, the site was discovered.

"These real objects are admittedly an enigma, but they are not a hoax to my eyes. The real
question is whether the WingMakers' identity and purpose is as they represent it.

Sarah: "Okay, let's say it's not a hoax. Then tell me why're you so convinced it's a defensive
weapon. It seems to me, that it might be more of a communication device--or perhaps an
educational tool of some kind. Why a weapon?"

Dr. Neruda: "The text from the optical disc states this. And we had an RV session that
corroborated it."

Sarah: "So, earth is this genetic library that the Animus want to use in order to re-create
themselves as soul carriers, as you put it? And the Ancient Arrow site -- and its six companion
sites -- is going to protect earth and all of us from these marauding aliens? How am I doing so
far?"

Dr. Neruda: "I can't say that your specific conclusions are right or wrong. I can only tell you that
the Animus are a real threat and that the WingMakers intend to protect their genetics."

Sarah: "Okay, then tell me, why would the Central Race, who lives trillions of light years away,
would care about what happens to us?"
Dr. Neruda: "The Central Race is responsible for seeding and cultivating higher life forms
throughout the universe, they're vitally interested in protecting their genetics from the Animus.
Earth isn't the only genetic repository that they protect in this manner. Our RV sessions
uncovered a database of planets throughout our superuniverse that was incalculably large."

Sarah: "So this is just standard operating procedure for this race--to install a defensive weapon
on the planets they seed with life?"

Dr. Neruda: "I believe so."

Sarah: "I looked the word 'Animus' up in the dictionary this morning. It's a real word. How did a
race whose most recent visit to earth was some three hundred million years ago become an
entry in Webster's dictionary?"

Dr. Neruda: "Their name is known even by the WingMakers. They used the same word in their
translation indexes. There are certain words that have been purposely seeded within our
language by the WingMakers."

Sarah: "So now you're saying that WingMakers actually place words into our dictionaries?"

Dr. Neruda: "No. Remember when I told you that the WingMakers were culture bearers?"

Sarah: "Yes."

Dr. Neruda: "They have encoded the discovery of language, mathematics, music, and so forth
into our genetic structures. As we evolve, certain forerunners of our species -- people like you
and I -- activate a part of their DNA before the rest of us. These forerunners are able to retrieve
this encoded information and share it with the species. In subsequent generations, this insight is
transmitted, and pretty soon, the entire species encompasses this new information or skill.

Sarah: "So you're really saying that the word Animus was encoded into our sense of language,
and someone invented the word, not realizing it was the name of this alien synthetic race?"

Dr. Neruda: "Yes, something like that."

Sarah: "I also read the memo that Dr. Sauthers [a colleague of Dr. Neruda] wrote about a global
culture being an outcome of this technology from the WingMakers' sites. But how could these
objects be used to build a global culture? It seems a little naive to me."

Dr. Neruda: "All I can tell you is that it's related to the Internet and a new communication
technology that the WingMakers referred to as OLIN or the One Language Intelligent Network. If
you read the glossary section that I left behind, you'll see it referenced there. The WingMakers
seem to feel confident that the OLIN technology will help create the global culture through the
Internet. This incidentally is consistent with prophecies that the Labyrinth Group was privy to
dating as far back as 1,500 years ago. Of course the enabling technology wasn't called OLIN, but
the notion of a global culture and unified governance has been predicted for many centuries."

Sarah: "This is what George Bush used to call the New World order isn't it?

Dr. Neruda: "Yes, but there have been four other presidents who've acknowledged this concept."

Sarah: "What would make the world's people decide to unify under one governing body, or for
that matter, create a global culture--whatever that means? I just can't envision it happening--
not in my lifetime."
Dr. Neruda: "According to the WingMakers it will happen through the digital economy and then
through the Internet's OLIN technology platform. And through this global network,
entertainment and educational content will be globalized. This is the basis of a global culture
with unified commerce, content, and communities. Once these pieces of the infrastructure are in
place, then the need to govern this infrastructure will loom as the preeminent issue of the day.
And the United Nations is the logical ruling body for such an endeavor. As long as the World's
people allow the digitization of the economy and embrace the OLIN technology platform, a global
government and culture is virtually assured to emerge."

Sarah: "And as you said last night, this is supposed to occur in 2018?"

Dr. Neruda: "According to prophecy, that's when the United Nations will hold initial elections for
a unified world government. And it won't be an all powerful, centralized authority, but rather a
global public policy decision and enforcement organization for issues that effect the world at
large. Issues like pollution, global warming, border disputes, space travel, terrorism, trade,
commerce, OLIN technology upgrades, and general technology transfer programs."

Sarah: "So what will happen to National sovereignty in this new role of the United Nations?"

Dr. Neruda: "I'm willing to answer your question in the form of a speculative response, but I'm
also aware that you had asked me at the outset of this interview to remind you if you got off
course. What would you like --"

Sarah: No, you're absolutely right. Sorry. Let's go back to the artifacts--what was the condition
of the site when you first entered--or better still, why don't you just describe your first
encounter going inside the site."

Dr. Neruda: "I was one of five from the ACIO who made the trip to New Mexico to explore the
site after it was initially determined to have potential ET implications. None of us at the time
knew anything that would have led us to conclude that the Ancient Arrow site would become
such an important discovery.

"The only real clue we had was an artifact that had been recovered near, what was determined
much later, as the entrance of the interior chamber of the time capsule. It was this artifact that
brought the project under the control of the ACIO because the artifact was considered by the
NSA to have potential ET origins."

Sarah: "What specifically led the NSA to conclude the artifact was alien?"

Dr. Neruda: "Like all the other artifacts it showed no response to carbon dating analysis and it
had peculiar markings or symbols that seemed other-worldly. It was a pure grade composite of
unknown origin. Also, and perhaps more importantly, there was no obvious way to activate the
artifact or access its interior controls. Its interior was impervious to various spectrum analyses --
even simple x-rays were unable to penetrate the object.

"Any rate, this artifact was essentially handed over to the ACIO, which deemed it to be of ET
origins, and then proceeded to investigate the region in which it was found. We discovered that
the outside casing of the artifact held a detailed topographical map that defined the region in
which it was discovered. We began to think the artifact might activate or become more useful if
taken to the region depicted on its casing.

Sarah: "Is this the artifact you showed me pictures of?"

Dr. Neruda: "No. This artifact destroyed itself after it led us to the Ancient Arrow site."
Sarah: "Why did you think it was important to activate it where it was found?"

Dr. Neruda: "Because it was thought to be a form of a compass or homing beacon. We weren't
sure, but we couldn't determine any functional purpose in the laboratory, so it seemed like a
logical experiment to see how the device would function in the area in which it was discovered.
Also, the original people who found the artifact complained that it induced a hallucinogenic
experience when it was held near the stomach area.

"The exploration team from the ACIO figured out how to use this device to locate the entrance to
the interior of the canyon wall in which the Ancient Arrow site was hidden. The device, when
activated, seemed to pass thought waves or mental pictures of where it wanted the person to
go. The RV assigned to our team was the one holding the device when it was first activated, and
she immediately began to see pictures. I did as well. Ultimately, it led us into a cave-like
structure tucked 20-30 meters inside one of the clefts of the canyon wall."

Sarah: "Was there an entrance already, or did you have to blast your way inside?"

Dr. Neruda: "The way into the interior was cleverly hidden behind a natural made cavern, which
in its own right was well hidden by natural underbrush. This cavern was about 25 meters deep
and led inside the canyon wall. We presumed it was an Indian dwelling of some kind that had
long been abandoned. Towards the end of this cavern there was a corridor that jutted off to the
side, and at the back of this corridor there was another chamber. A large, flat rock on the floor
hid the entrance to the site.

Sarah: "So you were convinced there was something underneath the rock?"

Dr. Neruda: "Yes. After removing the rock, we were able to determine a tunnel was indeed
underneath it. The tunnel was in the form of a "J" and was about one meter in diameter. I slid
down first through the tunnel and crawled my way to the entrance of the site."

Sarah: "So all five of you were inside this--this site, looking around with flashlights, what was
running through your mind at the time?"

Dr. Neruda: "We were all very excited and somewhat apprehensive as well. We thought we
might find an ET site, and were half-aware that it could be an active site--which kept us all on
guard.

Sarah: "And this whole thing was carved out of rock?"

Dr. Neruda: "It was completely manmade--or alien--and we knew it the instant we got out of the
transition tunnel. It was like being born into a completely new world. It was absolutely silent;
the air was cool, but not uncomfortably cold. There were no signs of life, and it seemed like
everything took on a new purpose--an intelligent purpose that we couldn't wait to unravel.

"What was so remarkable was the incredible sense of walking into a surreal world -- a world that
was created by something completely alien. We assumed it was of ET construction from the
moment we stepped out of the "J" tunnel."

Sarah: "But how did you immediately know it was an artificial construction, and not a natural set
of chambers or caves?"

Dr. Neruda: "At the beginning of the spiral staircase there were ornate petroglyphs carved in the
stone with a precision never before seen by our eyes. Also, the entire tunnel system was clearly
too smooth -- almost polished -- to be of natural construction. There was a sense of
architecture--a sense that someone designed it with extreme care and purpose.
"Amazingly there was nothing on the floor. Not even a pebble or a grain of sand. Every surface
was completely clean, smooth, and polished. There was dust, but only dust. And something like
a polymer coating had been applied to every square centimeter of the structure including the
ceilings.

"When we arrived at the first chamber, which is only about 30 meters from the entrance, I can
clearly recall a sense of awe or something approaching a religious experience I suppose. No one
spoke for a long time after our lights hit the first chamber painting. Everyone's flashlight
converged on the painting and we all just stared for about 40 seconds in the incredible silence of
this tomblike structure."

Sarah: "Did you find all the chambers that same day?"

Dr. Neruda: "Yes. We went from chamber to chamber, each time feeling like we had stumbled
into an alien natural history museum. You have to understand that our lighting was not very
good because we hadn't expected to need anything more than basic flashlights. I vividly
remember seeing each of the chamber paintings for the first time and just staring at them--
mesmerized by the incredible anachronism of the place. I'd never been in such a surreal
environment--it was both eerie and completely enchanting at the same time."

Sarah: "So how large were the chambers and the paintings themselves?"

Dr. Neruda: "The chambers themselves were relatively small--about four meters in diameter
with fairly high ceilings, in some instances as high as six meters.

Sarah: "So, judging from the photographs I've seen of the chamber paintings, the paintings
themselves must be fairly large?"

Dr. Neruda: "Yes, they're large and always face the entrance of the chamber. If you stand just
outside the entrance of a particular chamber, you can't see the whole painting; it's too large.
You have to walk into the chamber in order to see the whole composition."

Sarah: "What, in the opinions of the Labyrinth Group, are the artistic merits of these paintings?"

Dr. Neruda: "No one within the Labyrinth Group claims to be an art critic I can assure you. I
think it's fair to say that of those who saw the chamber paintings in their original environment
found the artistic merits to be very compelling, even captivating. I think those who saw them
only represented in photographs thought they were less art and more of a cog in some
masterfully designed wheel like an illustration in a children's book."

Sarah: "Not to change the subject, but I keep wondering how you came to choose me--I mean--
I know you said it was completely random, but why did you select an average journalist to share
this story? Why not a scientist or someone who could at least ask you more sophisticated
questions? I have to confess that I feel completely inadequate to interview you, mostly because
I don't even know what questions I should be asking you."

Dr. Neruda: "You're doing a fine job--absolutely fine. You shouldn't worry about your questions.
They're insightful. And most people, who will read this information, will be more interested in the
things you've inquired about than the physics or science involved anyway."

Sarah: "Perhaps, but I have this nagging feeling that if I could ask you the scientific questions
then you could more easily prove your story or credibility. I think I'm handicapping you in some
way."

Dr. Neruda: "What is it exactly that you feel you're not asking me?"
Sarah: "I guess it's mostly things related to time travel and BST. Last night you talked about
some things that when I re-read them earlier today, I felt like I should have asked more in-
depth questions."

Dr. Neruda: "Like?"

Sarah: "That's the problem, I don't know."

Dr. Neruda: "Sarah, the reason I selected you was simple. I needed to find someone who knew
how to access the mainstream media, and yet be relatively obscure. Had I chosen a science
editor from a major newspaper, I may have ended up with more scientific questions and less
about the cultural, artistic, and social implications of the Ancient Arrow project. Of my random
selections, I knew that you had no established image to protect, that you knew how to access
the media, and could ask sound questions that wouldn't betray your identity. That's why we're
talking right now--and the fact that you didn't think I was crazy."

Sarah: "I never asked you this before, but I'm just curious, was I the first journalist you talked
with, or did someone turn you down before you found me?"

Dr. Neruda: "No, you were the first and only person outside of the Labyrinth Group whom I've
talked with about this story."

Sarah: "I'd like to change the topic slightly and ask you about Fifteen's personality--is that
okay?"

Dr. Neruda: "Yes, that's fine."

Sarah: "What's he like as a leader?"

Dr. Neruda: "He's extremely focused, and demands everyone he works with to be similarly
focused. He's a workaholic, sleeps about four hours a night and works the rest of his time on
some aspect of BST. If there's research or development of new technologies that don't have a
specific and strategic impact on BST, he's not involved in it. Won't even ask questions about
projects of that nature, and generally within the ACIO, there are always three or four projects
that are unrelated to BST. Within the Labyrinth Group, every project is related to BST."

Sarah: "What's he look like?"

Dr. Neruda: "He's about average height and has fairly long gray hair down to his shoulders
which he usually wears in a ponytail. He's always reminded me of Pablo Picasso with long hair--
he has those same penetrating eyes. He's originally from Spain, so it's no coincidence that he
looks like Picasso. His most notable feature is his eyes, they're mischievous like you'd expect
from a child who's done something wrong on the surface, but underneath, they've created
something wonderful, it's just that nobody understands the wonderful part yet. That's what you
see going on behind his eyes."

Sarah: "I may have already asked you this, but how old is he?"

Dr. Neruda: "He's about 60 years old I think -- or at least he looks about that old. I've never
heard anyone say his age. I know when he was a student, he was supposed to look old for his
age. I think he started getting gray hair when he was in his early twenties, and that's probably
why he was often mistaken for a professor rather than a student."

Sarah: "You said earlier that he was kicked out of school. Why?"
Dr. Neruda: "Remember, he was, even at an age when most kids are concerned about dating
and parties, working on BST--or at least early versions of time travel. He's one of those rare
visionaries that enter the physical world and knew at a very early age what he came to do.
Fifteen was born to time travel. Period--end of story. That's all he's ever cared about.

"In the fifties, researching BST was considered a waste of time, no pun intended. It was simply
too theoretical and disconnected from anything practical. I think Fifteen also rubbed his
professors the wrong way because he was so bright as a student that he intimidated most of
them. He's also very stubborn, and when the professors told him to change his research to
something more practical, Fifteen apparently told them they were small-minded--or something
to that effect. Later that semester he was forcibly expelled as the story was told to me.

"However, Bell Labs hired him for a short stint because his research on quantum objects and
how they could be influenced by consciousness interested them."

Sarah: "Forgive me, but what exactly are quantum objects?"

Dr. Neruda: "They're elementals like electrons or neutrons. Quantum objects are fundamental
building blocks of matter, and they can appear both as a wave and a particle."

Sarah: "Okay, so Fifteen was trying to prove that quantum objects are influenced by
consciousness. Why was that so dangerous to a research university?"

Dr. Neruda: "That in itself wasn't so radical, but it was only a small part of his total research into
how to construct BST using the new physics that was being introduced rapidly in the community
of quantum physics. Fifteen has always maintained that Einstein's general theory of relativity
was flawed. Which is not a popular position to take. In somewhat the same way that Newton's
theory of the mechanistic universe became too constricted and unable to explain so much of the
phenomenon of what we call today, complexity or chaos theory, Fifteen felt that Einstein's
theories underestimated the influence that consciousness had on quantum objects.

"In the fifties and sixties, this was tantamount to heresy, particularly because it was impossible
to prove by mathematical modeling or formula. Consequently, Fifteen just continued to develop
his theories in secret and began to become noticed by the ACIO when he became involved in a
project having to do with heuristic learning systems based on a technology that the ACIO had
re-engineered from the Greys.

"The project leader from the ACIO recognized his intellect and rouge creativity and began to
develop a relationship with the young man. Several months later, Fifteen was recruited to join
the ACIO and essentially left his identity behind, quickly rising to the position of director of
research. He was later introduced to the Corteum intelligence accelerator technology, and the
rest is history as they say."

Sarah: "How exactly does this Corteum technology accelerate or expand the intelligence?"

Dr. Neruda: "Few people realize that their conscious mind only processes about 15 bits of
information per second of linear time. However, in vertical time, the unconscious mind is
processing approximately 70-80 million bits of information. Thus, in normal consciousness,
humans are aware of only an infinitesimal amount of the information that is constantly being fed
to them at the unconscious level. The Corteum technology was designed to reduce the filtering
aspects of the conscious mind and enable the higher frequency information packets to be fed to
the conscious mind.

"In parallel with this effort, the brain circuitry -- if you will -- is re-wired to handle the higher
voltage of the information that is being fed to the consciousness, allowing capabilities like
photographic memory and abstract thought to co-exist. These capabilities become the matrix
filter that draws from the unconscious repositories the most relevant information at any
particular time based on the problem or task at hand."

Sarah: "If I were a behavioral scientist, I'd be able to ask you about a thousand questions right
now. But I'm lost in what you say--I mean, how many bits of information can you process right
now?"

Dr. Neruda: "It's not really a simple question of the quantity of information processing, but
rather the relevance of the information in linear time based on the intention of the individual.
When one goes through the process of the Corteum technology, their ability to tune into
information packets that are relevant to a situation or problem is vastly improved. In most
people, when a given situation confronts them they access their conscious mind and pull out the
solution that has served them in the past. Thus, people fall into ruts and patterned behavior,
which closes down their access to the unconscious information packets that are based on real-
time situation analysis and have extremely high relevancy.

"This technology accelerates the circulation of information between the conscious and
unconscious aspects of the mind to flow in the pattern of an ascending spiral rather than the
pattern of a repetitious circle. And because of this it unleashes the innate intelligence of the
individual. So you see, the Corteum technology doesn't increase raw intelligence, it simply
facilitates the natural intelligence of the individual."

Sarah: "This is very cool. I wish I could undergo this regimen of the Corteum intelligence
accelerator so I could really ask you some zinger questions! And with that, let's take a short
break."

10 minute break

Dr. Neruda: "Since you have the tape recorder on now, let me repeat myself. The Corteum
technology was the single most influential element in helping Fifteen become the Executive
Director of both the ACIO and the Labyrinth Group. Granted, he had a brilliant mind before he
underwent the Corteum intelligence enhancement process, but for some reason, the technology
seemed to enhance his intelligence more than anyone else--by a significant degree."

Sarah: "Did anyone ever suspect that the Corteum and Fifteen were somehow a separate force
from the Labyrinth Group. I mean, did anyone consider the possibility that they had a separate
agenda--maybe BST wasn't their ultimate goal?"

Dr. Neruda: "No. There was, and I presume still is, absolute faith in both Fifteen and the
Corteum. You have to understand that the Corteum are a benevolent race. We never saw any
evidence that they had anything but good intentions to assist us, and, to the extent possible, we
tried to assist them in return. It was a courteous and completely reciprocal partnership."

Sarah: "You said last night that the Corteum were part of the Labyrinth Group, but only a couple
hundred or so were actual members. How did they become part of the Labyrinth Group?"

Dr. Neruda: "Actually, I don't know for certain. I can only tell you what I was told when I asked
the same question of one of the directors who sponsored me for entry into the Labyrinth Group.
He told me that Fifteen had been selected by the Corteum to be their liaison with the ACIO. They
singled him out, as the one through which they would initiate their technology transfer program
with humans.

"Fifteen agreed to subject himself to the intelligence enhancement technology the Corteum
offered. It was from this experience that Fifteen's vision of how BST could be developed was
crystallized. He essentially created the framework and design blueprint.
"One of the things that the Corteum have in abundance is logical intelligence. They are very
adept in terms of scientific inquiry and logical reasoning. By their own admission, where they
lack ability is in the creative visionary aspect of discovery. This is precisely where Fifteen
excels."

Sarah: "But you're talking about a race that is superior to us in their technologies, how can they
lack creative insights?"

Dr. Neruda: "These things are all relevant. Compared to virtually all other humans, the Corteum
are creative and visionary. But there are formative principles of physics that reside in a
dimensional matrix that are completely foreign to all beings except the most penetrating
intellects. And Fifteen has such an intellect. The Corteum are hoping that Fifteen, and more
generally, the Labyrinth Group, can develop BST because the Corteum have their own
application for this technology."

Sarah: "But last night you said there are other races within our galaxy that may already have
time travel capabilities, why don't the Corteum simply go to these races and make a deal with
them?"

Dr. Neruda: "As I said before, a species that has, of their own initiative, developed time travel
will be unwilling to share it with another race. It is truly the most guarded of all technologies.
And one doesn't simply ask to borrow the technology when they need it. Even when the need
seems compelling and true. It's so easy to become dependent on the technology itself.
Furthermore, as I tried to explain last evening, there's a considerable difference between time
travel and BST. I'm not aware of any species that possesses the form of BST that the Labyrinth
Group is attempting to develop.

"It's like this, Sarah, BST requires a suite of interdependent, but discrete technologies that
require a developer to apply new theorems, new laws of physics, that have never been
discovered before. And then to build this suite of technologies based fundamentally on a new
matrix of how the world works--it's a daunting task. Everything previously held to be true needs
to be destroyed, needs to be re-invented, re-formulated, and then integrated into this new
matrix.

"This is the very nature of BST, you start with a blank slate and re-invent, re-formulate, and
recreate the consciousness of matter."

Sarah: "Slow down--you just lost me. The consciousness of matter?"

Dr. Neruda: "Remember what I said earlier about quantum objects and how they're influenced
by consciousness?"

Sarah: "Yes."

Dr. Neruda: "Quantum objects become increasingly granular or refined until they become pure
light energy and cease to have mass. They are not of physical reality, but rather of a pure-state
energy. This energy is further segmented into octaves of vibration. In other words, this light
energy vibrates, and just like music, there are fundamentals and harmonics. The harmonics
resonate with the fundamental energy vibration and the whole energy packet sings like a choir--
except its voice is light.

"This singing, if you will, is the equivalent of a consciousness that pervades all matter--every
physical object in the entire universe. Fifteen has successfully proven this all-pervasive
consciousness or what he calls the Light-Encoded Reality Matrix or LERM, for those of us who
like shorthand. Any way, LERM is just one of the new theorems that were required in order to
devise a way to prove that BST was indeed a possibility, and not just a fanciful vision inside the
mind of Fifteen."

Sarah: "This all-pervasive consciousness you mentioned, are you really talking about spirit or
God?"

Dr. Neruda: "Exactly."

Sarah: "Now you've really crossed over the line. You're going to tell me that Fifteen discovered
God. That he has proof of God?"

Dr. Neruda: "Yes, in a way, but--but God isn't what we call it. It's LERM. And Fifteen was quite
emphatic that we never refer to LERM as God or even God-like. He preferred to think of LERM as
the shadow of God. The light that casts the shadow, and the object of the shadow itself, he
believes is impossible to prove through science or any other objective form of inquiry."

Sarah: "Okay--okay. But listen to me for a minute. If LERM is the shadow of God, as you put it,
then it proves the existence of God, right?"

Dr. Neruda: "To those of us within the Labyrinth Group who understand the work of Fifteen, the
answer is yes."

Sarah: "So isn't this even more important than the Ancient Arrow project? I mean, if someone
had proof of God, isn't it their moral responsibility to share this information with the public?"

Dr. Neruda: "Perhaps, but the only way this could be shared with the public is to disclose who
the Labyrinth Group is, and that isn't something that Fifteen even likes to contemplate doing.
He's afraid of the ridicule and misunderstanding that would result, and firmly believes that no
one would believe him anyway because there are so many hidden technologies that led him to
his findings, and he has no interest in disclosing these technologies to academia, government
institutions, or the media. He'd become the next messiah--or devil, depending on your
perspective."

Sarah: "So he's trapped in his own secrecy"

Dr. Neruda: "In a way, but he's not feeling trapped. He's simply so far removed from the social
fabric and scientific communities of academia that he has, for practical purposes, burned his
bridges and has no intention of ever crossing the chasm that separates himself from all that he's
left behind."

Sarah: "He must be incredibly lonely."

Dr. Neruda: "I don't think so. He seems extremely energized and basically happy. He's doing
exactly what he wants to do, I can't say I've ever seen him depressed--maybe disappointed, but
never depressed."

Sarah: "I still don't see the connection between LERM and BST?"

Dr. Neruda: "You see, if matter ultimately dissolves into octaves of light, and light dissolves into
octaves of consciousness, and consciousness dissolves into octaves of reality, then matter, light,
consciousness, and reality are all interdependent like an ecosystem. And like an ecosystem, if
you change one element you affect the whole. Isolating any of the elements contained within
LERM, and changing it, it can change reality. And this is a fundamental construct of BST. Does
that answer your question?"
Sarah: "I'm not sure--I don't know, maybe all of this doesn't matter. Again, I'm feeling out of
my territory. I find this interesting, but at the same time, it's frustrating. I even find myself
feeling pissed off that all of this stuff is going on in my world and I don't know about it -- well, I
mean I didn't know about it until just now. It seems like an injustice to me. It's the old haves
and have-nots story all over again. Can you appreciate how someone would feel--hearing all of
this for the first time, and feeling so left out?"

Dr. Neruda: "Yes, I understand."

Sarah: "To you, you can take all of this for granted. Afterall, you're in the know. But the rest of
us, we muddle through our little lives thinking the world is this and that, when really we're just
bumping into each other in the dark. We're essentially clueless, aren't we?"

Dr. Neruda: "I don't know--maybe. Maybe you're right, it doesn't matter. I simply know what I
know and I believe what I believe. Any more than that, it's as mysterious to me as it is to you. It
would be a great mistake to think that the Labyrinth Group, or any of its members, including
Fifteen and the Corteum, understands it all. They don't. But they work hard to get the answers,
Sarah. I mean really hard. They've devoted their entire lives to this mission of BST. They didn't
simply fall into the knowledge by accident. They tried and failed at thousands of different
experiments until they found the existence of LERM, and they'll probably fail another thousand
times before they find the solution to BST. But believe me, these individuals didn't arrive at their
knowledge casually or because it was gifted to them by some higher force."

Sarah: "No, I didn't mean it that way. I'm glad for the Labyrinth Group--I mean it. I'm happy
that someone on this planet has figured this out, or at least is trying. It's just unfair that so few
have the proof--the knowledge--the opportunity to understand all of this. Their lives are so
different, they might as well be living on some other planet. They might as well be
extraterrestrials."

Dr. Neruda: "I'm only laughing because that's been a fear of Fifteen's from the start; that if
someone ever did find out about the Labyrinth Group and its agenda, they would be regarded as
ETs. And here you are, confirming that fear."

Sarah: "In a way, I wish you hadn't selected me. My life is so different now. This is all I can
think about. It consumes me every waking minute. I have no idea how I'm going to get this
story out. I have no idea. None."

Dr. Neruda: "Sarah, do you remember the first time we talked and I mentioned the Corteum?
Your first question was, What do they look like?"

Sarah: "Yes. And your point is?"

Dr. Neruda: "These are the natural questions that people will have. LERM may interest a few
scientists, but I doubt it. What's portrayed in these interviews is so superficial that I doubt any
scientist would take it very seriously. And those that would, would find it to be a noble gesture
to authenticate monistic idealism, and nothing more. So you see, your initial instincts should be
trusted. Ask the questions that people would be interested in that appeal to their basic sense of
curiosity. And don't worry about changing the world through anything I have to say. I don't need
that weight on my shoulders."

Sarah: "Okay, you're right. You're absolutely right. Besides, I'm not sure about the truth of all of
this. I'm still not convinced of what you say--just for the record."

Dr. Neruda: "And I'm still not trying to convince you or anybody else. I'm just answering your
questions as truthfully as I know how."
Sarah: "Touche.

"Now, for the benefit of those who read this interview eventually, what do the Corteum look
like?"

Dr. Neruda: "I thought you'd never ask. They stand nearly three meters high and have very
elongated heads and bodies. Their skin is very fair--almost translucent, like you might expect
from a cave dweller. Their eyes are relatively large and have various colors just like our own,
except the Corteum have different colors to their eyes depending on their age and, in some
instances, their emotional state.

"What's very unique about the Corteum is that they have an incredibly articulate nervous system
that enables them to process virtually everything that occurs within their environment, including
the thoughts of another. Which means that when you're in their presence, you need to have
control of your thoughts or else you'll potentially offend them. They're very sensitive
emotionally.

Sarah: "How do they communicate with you?"

Dr. Neruda: "They speak perfect English or French, Italian, Spanish, or most any other language
for that matter. They're very gifted linguists and can acquire average language skills in a matter
of a few weeks, and operate as masters of the language within a few months. Their minds are
like sponges, but like I said before, while they possess incredible mental powers to absorb new
information and synthesize it with previous information, they're not necessarily adept at creating
new information totally unrelated to existing information. That's precisely what impressed them
so much with Fifteen."

Sarah: "What's their interest in the Ancient Arrow project?"

Dr. Neruda: "No different than Fifteen's I presume. They're completely absorbed in the efforts to
create BST, and hope that there's some technology or theorem within the Ancient Arrow site
that can help accelerate the development of BST."

Sarah: "And what do the Corteum want to do with BST?"

Dr. Neruda: "The Corteum have a planetary system that's in a very fragile state because its
protective atmosphere is degenerating at an alarming rate. Their atmosphere protects them, just
as our own, from harmful light waves that are generated from their local sun, and, to a lesser
extent, their closest stars. Anyway, this condition has led them to become nocturnal, only
venturing outside at night, and even then, only for as short a time as necessary. Over many
generations, this has left them increasingly susceptible to the very condition that they're trying
to solve. Their outer skins become more and more sensitive while their atmosphere becomes
less protective.

"Their scientists predict it's only about 10-20 years before they'll have to stay in underground
communities year-round. This has had a major impact on their standard of living, economy,
social structure, every possible aspect of their society has been effected, and mostly in a
negative way, at least by their own measure. They hope that BST will enable them to install a
technology that they've recently discovered to prevent the deterioration of their atmosphere."

Sarah: "Why can't they simply deploy this technology now?"

Dr. Neruda: "It's not a regenerative technology, it's a preventative technology. Regenerative
technologies are impossible once a system reaches a certain retrograde trajectory. In their
scenario, only BST would restore their environment."
Sarah: "Obviously they have space travel technology, why don't they pick out another planet
and colonize it?"

Dr. Neruda: "They have tried, but every planet they've found that's suitable for their species is
occupied. And they're not interested in being assimilated into an existing culture or society. They
want their own identity and social structure. Also, what they deem suitable for habitation is
extremely particular. For example, they have the same problem with earth as they have with
their own planet--in fact, it's worse here. They have to live in our underground base in order to
survive on our planet. It required that we build a special way-station for their spacecraft."

Sarah: "Do they want to interact with our governments and our people?"

Dr. Neruda: "Initially I think they did. And in fact they tried. But they were quickly escorted to
the ACIO and we convinced the NSA and all other interested parties that the Corteum had left
earth fearful of their lives. So--as far as our operatives within the NSA are concerned, the
Corteum are long gone, and fortunately the NSA at the time were quite preoccupied with other
ET issues anyway, namely the Greys."

Sarah: "I want to return to the WingMakers for a moment. What do the Corteum think of the
WingMakers' site, I assume they've seen everything?"

Dr. Neruda: "Yes, they've been involved from the beginning. The Corteum are as integral to the
Labyrinth Group as any of its human members, so nothing is hidden from them. The leader of
the Corteum mission to earth is called -- in English -- Mahunahi, and he happens to be an artist
first and foremost, and a scientist is his secondary nature. He was always excited to see and
hear about our findings. He asked if we could create a way-station to the Ancient Arrow site so
he could visit the site himself, but it just wasn't practical to do so without drawing attention to
the site."

Sarah: "I have a few oddball questions, so bear with me. First, every time you mention a
member of the ACIO, Labyrinth Group, or Corteum, it's always a male reference. Are their any
women in any of these organizations? And secondly, why would an artist be the leader of a
space mission of the Corteum? That seems very strange to me."

Dr. Neruda: "In answer to your first question, it's true that the Labyrinth Group is mostly male.
I'm not aware of this being by design, but rather by accident. One of the directors is a woman,
she's in charge of communications, and, as a director has a level fourteen clearance. We also
have nine females who are in the twelve or thirteen clearance categories, all of them are
extremely bright and capable and share responsibility with their male counterparts without any
form of discrimination--at least that I've ever been aware of. We even have one married couple.
Each person -- regardless of sex -- is paid the identical sum of money and has all the same
privileges--there's no distinction whatsoever within the ranks of the Labyrinth Group, and that's
at Fifteen's insistence.

"As for the Corteum, they're all males. Their culture is much more role-defined than our own.
And it's not to say that the females are treated as the lesser sex--no, in fact it may be the quite
the opposite, it's just that space travel and interaction with other species is left to the male sex
until species interaction procedures are brought into play. That's so their children can retain
access to their mothers and their families can remain more intact. Most, if not all, of the
members of the Corteum contingent are married.

"As for your second question, the Corteum look at science, religion, and art as three equal
members of a unified belief system that defines their social order. As I understand it, leadership
varies between each of these three elements of their social order, depending on the contact that
is made with an alien race. When they first made contact with humans it was decided that the
leadership should come from the ranks of the artistic side because they felt we were more of an
equal in this domain and thus the leader could more appropriately understand our motivations
and desires."

Sarah: "That's interesting. They actually thought we were more artistic than scientific or
spiritual. I guess now that I think about it, I can understand that. As a race, we probably are
more inclined in that way than the others."

Dr. Neruda: "That was their assessment any way."

Sarah: "I'd like to go back to the artifacts for a minute. The artifacts that are technology based,
where are they right now?"

Dr. Neruda: "After the initial discovery of the Ancient Arrow site, all of the physical artifacts that
could be removed from the site were carefully packed in shipping crates and shipped to the ACIO
research lab in Southern California, and are held by the Labyrinth Group in its own laboratory.
That's where they still are, to the best of my knowledge."

Sarah: "And only the homing device found outside the site and the optical disc have been, to
some extent, understood?"

Dr. Neruda: "That's correct."

Sarah: "So we really don't know whether BST is possible, do we?"

Dr. Neruda: "We know it's possible, but it's like anything that is extremely complicated and
interdependent, one needs a fine-grain understanding of the total environment that
encompasses the problem before they can modify or change the environment to solve the
problem. And this requires an understanding of LERM that is still evolving within the Labyrinth
Group, and I dare say, may yet require years of experimentation before its understanding is
sufficient to identify intervention points and time-splice in such a way to minimize undesirable
effects."

Sarah: "So we're back to the shadow of God discussion--or LERM as you affectionately call it.
Why is the understanding of LERM so fundamental to achieving BST?"

Dr. Neruda: "Because LERM is the equivalent of genetics for consciousness, and consciousness is
the equivalent of reality formulation for sentient beings. So if LERM is understood, one
understands the causal system that operates in non-time and non-space, which fundamentally
constructs the reality framework of space, time, energy, and matter. Quantum objects operating
in the construct of LERM have an existence that is entirely different from macro objects like this
table or chair.

Quantum objects -- in their true state -- have never been seen by a human. Scientists have
witnessed the effects and some of the properties of quantum objects, but their causal nature is
not visible through scientific instruments--no matter how powerful they are, because scientific
instruments are physical and therefore have a relationship to space and time. Whereas quantum
objects have no relationship to time and space other than through an observer."

Sarah: "So you're saying that the building blocks of matter -- these quantum objects -- have no
existence unless someone is observing them--that consciousness makes them appear real and
fixed in time and space? Is that what you're saying?"

Dr. Neruda: In a way, but not exactly. Let me try and explain it like this. Consciousness stems
or originates from non-time and non-space as a form of energy that is a basic building block of
LERM. Consciousness becomes localized as it becomes physical. In other words, consciousness
becomes human, or animal, or plant or some object that has physical characteristics. Are you
with me so far?"

Sarah: "Yes."

Dr. Neruda: "Good. As consciousness becomes a localized physical object, it essentially

orchestrates LERM to conform to a reality matrix that has been encoded into the genetic or
physical properties of the object it has become. In other words, consciousness moves from non-
space and non-time to become matter, and then it orchestrates LERM to produce a physical
reality consistent to the encoded genetic properties of the physical object it has become. If that
object is a human being, then the genetic triggers that are uniquely human become the tools of
consciousness from which it constructs its reality.

"LERM is essentially an infinite field of possibilities, or, as Aristotle referred to it, Potentia. This
Potentia is like fertile soil from which physical objects are created. Those who can orchestrate
LERM through the application of their consciousness are able to manifest reality and not simply
react to it. This manifestation can be instantaneous because again, quantum objects originate in
non-time and non-space."

Sarah: "Not to get overly religious here, but what you're really talking about is what Jesus or
other prophets have done--essentially manifest things like turning water to wine or curing the
sick. Right?"

Dr. Neruda: "Yes. It's the same principle only I've described it instead of performed it. It's much
easier to perform than describe."

Sarah: "So now you're going to tell me you can turn water into wine?"

Dr. Neruda: "Actually I've never tried that before, but yes, all of the members of the Labyrinth
Group can manifest physical objects from out of LERM. This was actually one of the outcomes of
Fifteen's discovery. The process of orchestrating LERM and manifesting physical objects on
demand."

Sarah: "Okay, now you've definitely got my interest, but I'm feeling a little guilty because I
swore I was going to stay on the subject of the WingMakers and the Ancient Arrow project. So
tell me, can you teach me how to manifest things out of thin air?"

Dr. Neruda: "Yes, but it would take some time--probably a few weeks or so."

Sarah: "Can you show me some examples of how you do it?"

Dr. Neruda: "How's this?"

Sarah: "For purposes of those reading these transcripts. Dr. Neruda just made a ball of twine
appear out of no where. He just made it disappear as well. Now it has reappeared again. This is
incredible. He's not holding it, so it's not like a magician who's making this appear from his
sleeve or from behind his hands somehow. It's quite literally appearing and disappearing on a
table about three feet in front of him, which is about six feet away from me. I can see it all very
clearly.

"I'm picking up the ball of string and it's definitely a physical object--not simply a mirage or--or
hologram. It has all the normal properties--weight--texture--it's slightly warm to the touch, but
in every other respect, it's exactly how I'd expect a ball of twine to feel.
"Can you make something else appear--something more complicated, like a million dollars in
cash?"

Dr. Neruda: "Yes."

Sarah: "Okay, let's see it."

Dr. Neruda: "You see this is the problem with these discoveries and capabilities. If I produced a
million dollars in cash right now, you'd have a dilemma. What to do with a million dollars? Could
you bear to see me make it disappear as easily as I make it appear?"

Sarah: "Are you crazy? Since the first moment I met you, I've never believed in what you've
said until now. And I'm not even saying I totally believe you even now, but I'm a hell of a lot
closer. I--no, people in general, need to see things with our eyes. We need to believe in what
our eyes tell us because they -- of all the senses -- seem to have a fix on reality. And you've
finally shown me something that is tangible--that my eyes relate to. I'm just asking for one
more confirmation of your abilities. I mean, a ball of string doesn't seem like such a huge deal--
not that I'm not impressed. But if you could produce a million dollars in cash--now that's a huge
deal."

Dr. Neruda: "And the dilemma?"

Sarah: "Okay, I have a proposition for you. I'm going to need to quit my job for at least a few
months to get this story out to the public and maybe even relocate or move underground
somewhat. What if I kept just ten thousand dollars to help me through the next two months?
Could that work for you?"

Dr. Neruda: "Yes, I could do that."

Sarah: "I'm now looking at a loose pile of $100 bills that appear to be perfect replicas. I'm
touching them--again they feel slightly warm to the touch, but these would definitely pass as the
real thing--wow--I can't believe it. But this can't be a million dollars, you only manifested
$10,000 didn't you?"

Dr. Neruda: "Yes, give or take a few hundred dollars."

Sarah: "You do realize that you just undermined your own credibility to those who will read this
transcript. You just made yourself unbelievable. I'm not even sure I should include this because
no one will be believe it anyway, and it may instead hurt your credibility in all the other areas of
our discussion. This is truly not a believable experience unless you see it with your own eyes.
What should I do?"

Dr. Neruda: "Sarah, whether any one believes me isn't important. No one believes anything
anyway unless they experience it, and even then, most people fall back into doubt. Belief is
short-lived and always questioned; as it should be. Even the most devote believer is in doubt
most of the time, regardless of what they say. So don't worry about whether this impairs my
credibility or not. I don't care. It doesn't matter because I'm not trying to convince anyone of
anything. I'm only trying to get information about the WingMakers to people who can make their
own determination of what is true and believable."

Sarah: "Okay--so much for my concern. It'll be the last time I worry about your credibility.

"If you can manifest money like this so easy, why do you need to get paid? I mean who needs
money from work?"
Dr. Neruda: "When this technology was discovered, it was only shared within the Labyrinth
Group, and it was only used for experiments approved by Fifteen. The same principle would
apply to BST or any other technology discovered by the Labyrinth Group that could be used for
personal gain or benefit."

Sarah: "Man, you must be a very disciplined group. I don't think I could resist."

Dr. Neruda: The truth is, I'm sure all the members of the Labyrinth Group have, from time-to-
time, experimented with this technology in the privacy of their own homes."

Sarah: "Why do you refer to it as a technology? It seems to me that it's a mental thing. You
weren't using anything other than your mind were you?"

Dr. Neruda: "It's a technology only from the standpoint of understanding the mental process.
There's nothing electronic or mechanical if that's what you mean. But it's more than mind
control. It's really a belief in LERM and its unerringly perfect processes of creation -- moving
quantum objects from non-space and non-time to the world of matter in our time and space. It's
more closely related to faith than technology--as odd as that may sound."

Sarah: "Actually, I was figuring that if Jesus and others who've walked the earth could do these
things thousands of years ago, it must not have much to do with technology. But when you see
it happen with your own eyes, you have a tendency to think there's some technology behind the
scenes that's doing it. That it couldn't just be a natural power of humans--that doesn't seem
possible to me for some reason."

Dr. Neruda: "I understand, but nonetheless, it's really a matter of perspective, and once you
have the perspective on LERM and it becomes a fundamental construct of your belief system, it
becomes amazingly easy to do this. It's a little like a sophisticated optical illusion based on a
hologram that takes you several months of concentrating to see the picture that is subtly
embedded, but the moment you see it, you can instantly see it the rest of your life without
effort. That's how this operates. Some people can pick it up in a matter of a few days, others
require hundreds of hours, but what everyone has in common is that once you get it, it becomes
as natural as breathing."

Sarah: "And you think you could teach me in a matter of a few weeks, when it took some of
your colleagues -- with genius IQs, I might add -- hundreds of hours to learn the technique?"

Dr. Neruda: "It's not related to IQ. It's related to understanding and belief. The understanding
comes from seeing the existence of LERM and understanding how it operates at its fundamental
level. Whether you have an average intelligence or are a genius, it doesn't matter, so long as
you understand and believe what you understand."

Sarah: "So how do you get me to believe in LERM?"

Dr. Neruda: "You already do deep inside you. It's your conscious mind that rejects your deeper
belief and understanding. So I would help you to consciously understand what you already know
at a deeper level of your being. And I would do this by showing you LERM."

Sarah: "And how would you do that?"

Dr. Neruda: "You would need to come to the Labyrinth Group's research facility in Southern
California. It's the only place in the world where I can show you the indisputable evidence of
LERM."
Sarah: "Under the circumstances, that doesn't seem like a scenario that will ever happen. There
must be another alternative--or said another way, what is it that I'd see at this research center
that I couldn't get somewhere else--or through some other means?"

Dr. Neruda: "I'm not saying that the only way to acquire this ability is by seeing LERM in action,
but it is very convincing. The Labyrinth Group has a technology -- designed by Fifteen himself --
that quite literally enables an individual to experience LERM. There are also the mystical or
shamanic means, but these are far less likely to occur in a two-week period of time. These
methods seem independent of circumstance and more dependent on some deeper, predestined
or pre-encoded awakening that the individual is not aware of consciously. In some instances this
awakening includes an ability to manifest physical objects, but generally, it's done without a
conscious knowledge of how it's done. It just works."

Sarah: "Okay, so let's assume I'm not cut out to be a mystic or shaman, what would I see with
this technology that would convince me of my abilities to do what you just did?"

Dr. Neruda: "I can't really tell you. It's one of those experiences that words are wholly
inadequate to describe or explain. About all I can tell you is that LERM is experienced through
this technology, and it essentially, as a result of the experience, re-wires your internal electrical
system. In this process, new circuits are cut in your nervous system, and these new circuits
enable you to utilize LERM as an outgrowth of your experience of it.

"I doubt this explanation does you any good whatsoever. I've never tried to explain it before,
and I can see by the look on your face that I failed miserably."

Sarah: "No, it's not that. I'm just tired of always feeling like I've lived on a different planet all
my life. That I've missed out on all of this--it's really distressing to me when I think about it.

"I remember reading a biography about Einstein, and he was quoted saying something like we
humans only use about two percent of our intellectual capability. Well, that's about how I feel
right now. That I've lived my life at about the two percent level -- if that -- and I'm just
beginning to see what he meant. I never had a comparison before now that let me see what the
other ninety-eight percent might be like. It's not altogether pleasant to see what's been left out
or overlooked--or undervalued."

Dr. Neruda: "I understand."

Sarah: "On to something else. You said earlier that certain technologies like LERM and BST
weren't allowed to be used for personal gain by members of the Labyrinth Group. Yet, if BST did
exist, wouldn't everyone line up and ask to use it? I know I would. There're a lot of events in my
life I'd change if I could. Once the cat's out of the bag, how could BST ever be kept under
wraps?"

Dr. Neruda: "Like everything, there are implications and moral and ethical considerations that
have to be weighed. One of the things that Fifteen and more generally the Labyrinth Group is
good at, is to consider these implications in the broader scope of the social order. Fifteen, from
an early age, always felt that the technologies of BST and LERM would only be granted to those
organizations that would properly honor the ethical considerations that were required by the
technology itself.

"This is one of the fundamental charters of the Labyrinth Group, and all of its members take it
very seriously. As a new technology is being developed, there are always members of the team
who are concerned with the ethical implications of the technology and are responsible for usage
guidelines and deployment rules. This is an integral part of any project's development."
Sarah: "That's good to hear, but couldn't such a charter also be used to prevent the spread of
these technologies to a broader audience?"

Dr. Neruda: "Unquestionably. A technology like BST -- once developed and tested -- could, in
time, become a consumer technology. But as long as the Labyrinth Group exists, it would
protect BST from any and all outside forces. Within the Labyrinth Group there is a committee
called the Technology Transfer Program or TTP Committee. This committee has two missions,
one, to assess the incoming technologies that are assimilated from ETs, and two, they're
responsible for which technologies and in what state of dilution they're transferred to our private
industry partners, NSA, or the military.

The TTP Committee is in control of the pure-state technologies that are developed by the
Labyrinth Group. These pure-state technologies are virtually never transferred to outside
organizations. Even those staff members in the ACIO who are not part of the Labyrinth Group
are unaware of these pure-state technologies, and when --"

Sarah: "But if I place these interview transcripts on the Internet or some media publication picks
up this story, more than just the ACIO staff members are going to know about this stuff. Isn't
this going to screw up the Labyrinth Group's cloak of secrecy?"

Dr. Neruda: "No. The Labyrinth Group is more than a secret organization. For all practical
purposes, it doesn't exist. The ACIO doesn't exist. No one will be able to trace the ACIO let alone
the Labyrinth Group. Their security technologies are so vastly superior they are completely
invulnerable in this regard. Nothing I say, or you publish, will make them more vulnerable. As I
said before, their only concern will be the precedent of my defection and how it could create
more defections over time."

Sarah: "Why, why would anyone want to leave--I mean I understand your case--you didn't want
your memories changed or removed. But they don't commonly do that do they?"

Dr. Neruda: "Not often, but I'm certainly not the first to be targeted to undergo memory implant
sessions or other forms of invasive security measures. They're all part of the culture of the
Labyrinth Group and the ACIO. Everyone who enters either of those worlds understands what
they must subject themselves to. It's very clear why the paranoia must be part of the culture.
But over time, certain individuals find it suffocating. And these individuals are the ones who are
most at risk to see my defection as a reason for their own.

"I may be entirely wrong about this, but I believe there are ten to twenty individuals who would
leave the ACIO or even the Labyrinth Group if they were given the choice without
repercussions."

Sarah: "But I thought you said last night that these people were in love with their jobs because
of the special access to technologies and research labs that were so advanced to anything else
available? If that's the case, what would they do in normal society?"

Dr. Neruda: "I'll find out. I'll be the first to experience normal society--as a normal person."

Sarah: "Well, at least you won't have any problem getting a job--what am I saying, you won't
even need to work. I forgot, you can make your own money out of thin air."

Dr. Neruda: "You'd be surprised to know that I live a pretty simple life. I own a 92' Honda
Accord and live in a modest three-bedroom home in a suburban neighborhood of modest
homes."

Sarah: "You're kidding?"

Dr. Neruda: "No."

Sarah: "You make $400,000 a year tax free and--and have a money tree in your mind, and you
live like I do? If you don't mind my asking, what do you do with all your money?"

Dr. Neruda: "I have blind trusts."

Sarah: "Are all the Labyrinth Group members like you?"

Dr. Neruda: "You mean in regard to money and possessions?"

Sarah: "Yes."

Dr. Neruda: "Most live at a higher standard of living than I do, but it is part of our culture to live
modestly and none of the members live a pretentious lifestyle. Fifteen pays people what they're
worth, not because he wants them to throw money around and live flamboyantly. He's a big
believer in this, and he himself, even more than I, lives humbly."

Sarah: "I find this really hard to believe. I think of just about everything you've told me so far,
this is one of the hardest things to believe. I'm totally baffled here."

Dr. Neruda: "I can appreciate that, but what I'm telling you is the truth.

"Initially, the way new people are recruited to join the ACIO is largely because of the monetary
incentives. These are extremely bright and capable people and could easily secure positions in
academia or private industry making $200,000 per year, and more. The ACIO lures them by at
least doubling their salary and offering them lifetime employment contracts. But those who
ultimately earn the right to enter the twelfth level are then inducted into the Labyrinth Group,
and by the time an individual has risen to this status, money has become increasingly
unimportant--particularly after the Corteum intelligence accelerator experience--after the LERM
experience, it's diminished even more.

"You'd probably find it interesting that Fifteen lives in a small, three-bedroom home in a regular
community where the average property value is about $250,000. That's not much of a house by
West Coast standards. His automobile must have at least 100,000 miles on it, no air
conditioning, and he's perfectly content with his situation. New ACIO recruits are always amazed
at Fifteen's thrift--I think bewildered is a better way of putting it. But over time, they learn to
respect him not as an eccentric, but as an extremely dedicated genius who simply likes to live
like other people and blend in."

Sarah: "Okay--I've got to get personal here, and I know I've totally betrayed my agenda, but
you've got to tell me a few things about--well like, what do your neighbors think you do?"

Dr. Neruda: "I don't know my neighbors very well. I've worked seventy hours per week since I
was eighteen years old. When I socialize, it's generally with my colleagues. There's very little
time for establishing other relationships. But to answer you question directly, I don't know for
sure what they think I do--I've only told them I'm a research scientist for the government. For
most people that settles their curiosity."

Sarah: "But what if you met a woman and fell in love. She'd want to know what you did and how
much money you made and so forth--what would you tell her?"

Dr. Neruda: "I work for a government weather research center. I'm a research scientist in
applied chaos theory and I make $85,000 per year."
Sarah: "So you'd lie?"

Dr. Neruda: "It's part of the culture of the Labyrinth Group. We can't tell the truth, and if we did,
the vast majority of people would think we were crazy. It's also why we keep to our own--we
can tell the truth among ourselves."

Sarah: "When I first heard about the ACIO and its secret mission, and that you were defecting
and afraid for your life--I thought the ACIO was an evil-minded, control-the-world type of
organization. Then I heard about the kind of money you all made and I pictured a bunch of
intellectual snobs driving bullet-proof Mercedes Benzes and living in posh mansions--and you
just dismantled my image. You completely destroyed it. So why are you so afraid?"

Dr. Neruda: "The Labyrinth Group, because of its connection to the ACIO, is still very much
connected to the secret network of organizations who control a great deal of the world's
monetary and natural resource assets. This network of organizations will know about my
defection the instant these materials I've given you gain any visibility in the press or on the
Internet. They will know of its authenticity by simply reading these two interviews. While there's
nothing they can do to the ACIO or the Labyrinth Group, they can make my life difficult to live.

"And they will most definitely try. I know all about their technologies and how they deploy them.
I know the people behind these organizations and I know how they operate. I have knowledge
that I've only shown you a small fraction of. And this knowledge would make certain individuals
-- very powerful individuals -- very uncomfortable. It's extremely rare, but when high-level
operatives defect, they're hunted like dogs until they're found and disposed of, or, if they serve
an ongoing purpose, their memories are selectively wiped clean. It's one of the unfortunate
realities of having dealt with these organizations."

Sarah: "But you were just a scientist--a linguist, for God's sake. How does that make you a
threat to these secret organizations?"

Dr. Neruda: "I was the one that created the underlying encryption technology for their security
system that overlays their predictive modeling software for the world's stock exchanges. I may
be a simple scientist in your eyes, but my talents for linguistics is not the only talent I possess.
I'm also gifted in the field of encryption. And within the world of economics, I'm simply the best.
And this talent was given to certain organizations to help them, and in the process of doing so, I
learned about these organizations and how they operate. It makes me a security risk."

Sarah: "Why? I mean if the ACIO and Labyrinth Group have so much money--why work with
these evil groups?"

Dr. Neruda: "First of all, they're not evil. These organizations consist of well-educated elitists
who're self-absorbed perhaps, but not evil. They look at the world as a biological experience
where the strong survive, the powerful thrive, and the secretive control. They like being in
control of the experience. They are the ultimate control freaks, but not for the sake of adoration
or ego-gratification, but for the sake that they genuinely believe they're the best at making
policy decisions that effect the world's economy and security.

"Don't confuse control with evil intent. It's not necessarily one and the same thing. That's the
game they choose to play. The fact that they make incredible sums of money is simply part of
the game, but it's not the reason they sit in the driver's seat of the world's economy--they
simply want to protect their life's agenda like anyone else would. It's just that they're in the
position to actually do it. They get their security from being at the top of the economic food-
chain."

Sarah: "But they're manipulating people and keeping information from them. If this isn't evil,
what is?"
Dr. Neruda: "By your definition, our national government, our local government, virtually every
business and organization, is evil. Everyone manipulates and keeps information hidden.
Governments, organizations, and individuals."

Sarah: "You're twisting my words. It's a matter of degree isn't it? I mean, it's one thing if I don't
tell you my true hair color, and it's another thing if, as part of this secret network, I withhold
information about how I'm manipulating the world economy. They're entirely different in scale.
You can't compare them. I still think it's evil when organizations manipulate and control things
for their own gain."

Dr. Neruda: "Believe me, I didn't set out to be the defender of these organizations, but you need
to understand this because it's important and it may effect you in the days ahead. This secret
network of powerful organizations are more aligned with the goals of the Labyrinth Group than
our world's governments, and, in particular, our military leaders. If you're worried about
anything, you would be well advised to worry more about the administration, Congress, and the
Department of Defense--not only in the United States, but in every country."

Sarah: "How can you say that? Are you saying that our government and military leaders are
trying to cause us harm and these secret, manipulative organizations are trying to help us?"

Dr. Neruda: "I'm saying that the leadership in the world's community of nations is inept, and can
be bought with the holy dollar. And that it's not the secret network that I've been talking about
who's manipulating our government and military leadership to invest huge amounts of money in
destructive forces like nuclear and biological weapons. This, they're deciding on their own. The
secret organizations that I'm pointing the finger at are opposed to these military build-ups
because they interject a degree of uncertainty in their models for controlling economic and social
order.

"The politicians and military leaders are the ones who're investing time, energy, and money in
weapons of mass destruction, and these, if there is such a thing as evil, are it."

Sarah: "Okay. I see your point. But you implied that these secret organizations would try and kill
us if we published and distributed all of this? I still don't see how that makes them so noble."

Dr. Neruda: "I don't think you have to be concerned about these secret organizations. You don't
know enough to be dangerous to them. Besides, they're used to journalists snooping around and
trying to expose them. None have succeeded in any meaningful way. Dozens of books have been
written about them. So they're not going to bother you. Their interest will be in me and me
alone. It's one of the reasons why I'm careful in what I tell you. I know they'll read these
transcripts, as will the NSA, CIA, ACIO, and the entire Labyrinth Group. I'm allowing you to
record these conversations because I know who will hear these exact words, and I want them to
know precisely what I have shared with you, and through you, to others.

"I'm not making a value judgment as to whether these secret organizations are noble or not. I'm
merely pointing out that they're not the ones wasting huge sums of money and intellectual
capital on weapons of mass destruction. They're significantly more competent to rule than our
politicians and military leaders are. And this is simply my opinion."

Sarah: "I still don't get it. If the Labyrinth Group, the ACIO and this secret network of
organizations are all so noble and benevolent, why are you afraid for your life? And why are they
hiding from the public like cockroaches?"

Dr. Neruda: "To answer your first question, I fear for my life because I know information that
could cause irreparable harm to a variety of secret organizations--though I have no intention to
do so."
Sarah: "But simply because you know these things they'll hunt you down and kill you? Sounds
like a nice group to me. Certainly not evil..."

Dr. Neruda: Remember--they're control freaks. They don't like having anyone loose who could
cause them potential harm. If I wanted to, I could bring them down. I know that much about
their computer algorithms and encryption technologies."

Sarah: "But how would you get access to their system. It would seem to me that you'd be
placing yourself in great jeopardy if you tried to get into their system."

Dr. Neruda: "I don't need to get into their system to cause them harm, I need to get into their
system to prevent harm. They will invite me into their system."

Sarah: "I don't understand."

Dr. Neruda: "When I developed the system initially, there were certain time-delayed algorithms
that were scripted to occur at specific times, and if they were not maintained accordingly, the
program would essentially self-destruct. Something that these organizations cannot afford to
happen."

Sarah: "Why did they agree to this?"

Dr. Neruda: "It's part of the fee that the Labyrinth Group extracts from its clients. More
importantly, it ensures that our technologies -- even in their diluted states -- are operated
according to our agreement and not misused. I have the access codes for this system and the
maintenance key that will prevent it from crashing. I've made certain that I'm the only one who
has this knowledge."

Sarah: "You're telling me that with all those photographic memories running around at the
Labyrinth Group, that you're the only one who knows the code?"

Dr. Neruda: "I didn't exactly report the right number when I did my last update of their system--
so, yes, I'm the only one who knows the correct code. I designed it that way to ensure my
safety."

Sarah: "But with all the geniuses in the Labyrinth Group, you're telling me that they can't solve
this problem themselves?"

Dr. Neruda: "Not without a significant amount of time--which is something Fifteen won't agree to
do. It's too wasteful and a major distraction to BST research."

Sarah: "Do they already know about this?"

Dr. Neruda: "Oh, yes. I informed them shortly after I defected."

Sarah: "They must have been pissed."

Dr. Neruda: "It wasn't a pleasant conversation to put it mildly."

Sarah: "I was thinking about all of this sophisticated technology that the Labyrinth Group has,
but I don't understand something. How do you manufacture it? I assume Intel isn't doing the
manufacturing. Right?"
Dr. Neruda: "Correct. There's no one on this planet that can manufacture these technologies.
They're all based upon the Corteum technology -- which is about 150 generations ahead of our
best computer technologies here on earth. For example, the LERM project used only one
domestic technology in the total array of about 200 different technologies, and it was a relatively
insignificant part of the project."

Sarah: "What was it?"

Dr. Neruda: "It's a derivative of a laser telemetry technology that the ACIO developed about 20
years ago, but it filled the specific needs of the LERM project because it was based on analog
protocols which were required for the application in that specific part of the experiment."

Sarah: "So the Corteum performs all the manufacturing of what the Labyrinth Group designs.
What if the Corteum decide, for whatever reason, not to share these technologies all of sudden?
Wouldn't the Labyrinth Group cease to exist?"

Dr. Neruda: "Perhaps. But Fifteen is shrewd and he's put certain contingencies in place to help
ensure nothing like that would ever happen. Bear in mind, that the Corteum are at least as
motivated as we are to develop this technology, perhaps more. They have tremendous respect
for Fifteen as well as the other human contingent of the Labyrinth Group. However, when the
Labyrinth Group was first formed, Fifteen negotiated with the Corteum to share all source code
for the projects that came out of BST research. All base technologies were replicated in two
separate research labs. There's complete redundancy right down to the power supplies."

Sarah: "Won't the leaders of these secret organizations try and pressure Fifteen to find you--
with their remote viewing technology, can't they find you easily?"

Dr. Neruda: "The leaders of these secret organizations well know they have no leverage with
Fifteen. After they read this information, they will know they have even less leverage. Fifteen
and the Labyrinth Group designed and developed all of their security systems. Every last one.
They knew they had to be indebted to the Labyrinth Group for certain technologies that made
them -- speaking metaphorically -- invisible. Fifteen cannot be pressured. In fact, it's just the
opposite. Fifteen can pressure them, though he never would. To Fifteen, these organizations
simply represent the best alternative to letting our own governments take control of the
economic engines and social order of the world infrastructure. Hence, he sympathizes with them
and tries to help them to the extent he can afford the time and energy."

Sarah: "So how will you hide from them?"

Dr. Neruda: "As I told you before, I began to systematically disentangle myself from the ACIO's
invasive security precautions, which include electronic sensors implanted underneath the skin in
the back of the neck. I effectively stripped myself of these devices so I'd have a chance of
remaining underground until a reasonable solution could be negotiated."

Sarah: "But you said they had RV technology that can locate you. What about this?"

Dr. Neruda: "There's little doubt that they will try this, but it's not an exact science. An RV could
see this room, but not have a clue as to how to find it. They might be able to key in on a
particular object -- like that clock, for example -- but unless it was the only clock of its kind and
they could trace its location, it wouldn't help them."

Sarah: "Is there anything I should be worried about, then?"

Dr. Neruda: "I think we need to move around a bit, and vary our meeting time and place. We
should conduct the next interview in a new environment -- perhaps outdoors. Something generic
without landmarks."
Sarah: "So they can't read my street sign and then look at my house's address -- I mean if they
were doing an RV session right now?"

Dr. Neruda: "They would try, and it's possible they'd be successful, but not likely.

Sarah: "I suddenly got very nervous. You're not making me feel comfortable with this."

Dr. Neruda: "I can only be honest."

Sarah: "What would they do with me and my daughter if they found us?"

Dr. Neruda: "I think you could assume that they'd perform an MRP of the entire experience of
meeting me."

Sarah: "They wouldn't kill us?"

Dr. Neruda: "I don't think so. Fifteen doesn't resort to violence unless it's absolutely necessary."

Sarah: "Shit. I wish I knew about this before I agreed to get my daughter and I involved. Just
tell me one thing; do you know when they're doing an RV session? I mean, can you feel it or
anything?"

Dr. Neruda: "I can sense it, but it's not something that's absolute."

Sarah: "Is there any defense against it?"

Dr. Neruda: "None."

Sarah: "So all we do is hope that their damn RV is incompetent?"

Dr. Neruda: "I'll only stay for short periods of time, and it'll be late at night when they're far less
likely to perform an RV session. It'd be a good practice to vary our meeting place, as I
suggested before. Other than that, I don't know what more we can do."

Sarah: "I assume there's nothing the police or FBI could do to help?"

Dr. Neruda: "Nothing that I'm interested in."

Sarah: "But what will you do to protect yourself?"

Dr. Neruda: "As you can imagine, Sarah, there's certain information I can't share with you given
the nature of these interviews. This is one instance I can't tell you more than I already have."

Sarah: "I'm feeling the need to bring this session to an end. My mind is quite literally filled to
the brim. I think if you told me anything profound right now, it'd just go in one ear and out the
other. Can we meet again on Tuesday and perhaps pick-up where we left off tonight?"

Dr. Neruda: "Yes, that's fine with my schedule."

Sarah: "Okay. Signing off for tonight."

End of Session
Entrevistas De Neruda

Entrevista 3

Por Sarah

Qué sigue es una sesión que registré del Dr. Neruda de diciembre el 30 de 1997. Él dio el
permiso para que registre sus respuestas a mis preguntas. Ésta es la transcripción de esa
sesión. Éste era una de cinco veces que podía grabar nuestras conversaciones. He preservado
estas transcripciones exacto como ocurrieron. No se realizó el ningún corregir, y he intentado mi
mejor para incluir las palabras, expresar, y la gramática exactos usada por el Dr. Neruda.

(se recomienda que usted lee de diciembre el 27 y de diciembre el 28, 1997 entrevistas antes de
leer éste.)

Sarah: "buena tarde, el Dr. Neruda. Es usted listo?"

El Dr. Neruda: "sí, soy listo cuando usted es."

Sarah: "una de las cosas que encuentro difícilmente para abrazar sobre este asunto entero es
que el concepto del recorrido del tiempo se parecía siempre como una tecnología bastante fácil
convertirse. Sé que he conseguido esa impresión de viaje dificultoso de la estrella y las películas
otras y televisión, pero aún, qué usted ha descrito se parece como es tan difícil convertirse que
nunca tendremos éxito. Está realmente que difícilmente convertirse?" El Dr. Neruda: "la manera
que el recorrido del tiempo se presenta en las películas trivializes las complejidades de esta
tecnología, y el recorrido del tiempo o el BST interactivo, según lo definido por quince, es el más
sofisticado de todas las tecnologías. Es la tecnología del ápice de la cual virtualmente el resto de
las tecnologías pueden ser derivadas. Así pues, en crear el BST, uno está creando un corte corto
o un camino acelerado en la adquisición virtualmente de el resto de las tecnologías. Esta es la
razón por la cual el BST es tan difícil de convertirse.

la "ciencia ficción viola la mayoría de las premisas científicas que se relacionan con nuestra
comprensión del recorrido del tiempo. Y el BST en detalle es un uso extremadamente sofisticado
de los principios científicos que no se indican simplemente en la ciencia ficción, sobre todo
porque viajan la gente como los efectos y las líneas del diagrama del tiempo, más que tienen un
apetito para entender la ciencia detrás de ella. Tan los escritores, especialmente para la
televisión y las películas, trivialize el grado de la complejidad que rodea esta tecnología del
ápice."

Sarah: "solamente usted realmente no contestó a mi pregunta -- tendremos éxito en

desarrollarla?"

El Dr. Neruda: "hay poco duda en mi mente que el grupo del laberinto tenga éxito en desarrollar
el BST. La pregunta es si está en el mejor interés de la humanidad en el largo plazo. Estaban a
semanas de comenzar sus pruebas iniciales para la amplia escala que probaba momentos antes
que deserté. Había anticipación extensa en el nivel del director que el BST era una cuestión de
cuatro a seis meses de ausente de una prueba acertada."

Sarah: "tan cuál es el obstáculo más grande al éxito?"

El Dr. Neruda: "indicado simplemente, es si el grupo del laberinto tiene la capacidad de definir y
de tener acceso a puntos de la intervención según lo prescrito por quince que tengan el menos
impacto en acontecimientos relacionados en tiempo horizontal. Es del componente más sutil, con
todo la mayoría más importante a esta cadena entera de tecnologías."
Sarah: "puede usted explicar esto en términos puestos?"

El Dr. Neruda: "es una tecnología extremadamente difícil a convertirse -- definiendo el punto
óptimo de la intervención, teniendo acceso al punto de la intervención, y volviendo del punto de
la intervención sin la detección. Esto es todo sobre tiempo que empalma en el nivel causal con
un mínimo de interrupción. Es el desafío equivalente de lanzar un canto rodado en una charca
sin ninguna ondulación."

Sarah: ¿"por qué toda la preocupación por la interrupción de reducción al mínimo? ¿Yo
significan, en el caso del animus, no están intentando aniquilar totalmente el humankind?
Porqué si cuidamos tanto sobre la interrupción de su manera de la vida?"

El Dr. Neruda: "primero de todos, el animus no está viniendo aniquilar el humankind. Están
viniendo controlar la biblioteca genética conocida como tierra. Su intención no se entiende
totalmente, sino que no es matar a nuestras poblaciones animales o a la especie humana. Tiene
más a hacer con la ingeniería genética y cómo su especie se puede modificar para permitirle
contener un sentido espiritual. Desean el acceso unfettered a nuestra DNA para conducir
experimentos. Más allá de esto, desean colonizar la tierra, pero para qué último propósito no
sabemos.

"a su pregunta, la preocupación por impactos de reducción al mínimo de la intervención del BST
tiene que hacer tanto con intereses egoístas como los altruistas. Cuando se alteran o se cambian
los acontecimientos, pueden tener consecuencias involuntarias y muy imprevisibles. Por
ejemplo, podríamos divertir con éxito el animus de nuestra galaxia, pero en el proceso, los
enviamos inintencionalmente a otro planeta. Este acto tendría consecuencias a nuestro planeta
que podríamos nunca predecir."

Sarah: "está usted karma que habla?"

El Dr. Neruda: "no. Tiene que hacer con la física y la naturaleza inherente de sistemas
complejos. La energía causal es eterna. Despide simplemente de acontecimiento al
acontecimiento. En algunos casos, forma el acontecimiento; en otros, crea el acontecimiento. La
energía causal es la fuerza más potente del universo, y cuando se vuelve a dirigir -- en una
escala global -- rebotará de maneras imprevisibles e innumerables."

Sarah: ¿"así pues, éste es el defecto de BST -- no saber las consecuencias de acontecimientos
que cambian? Es usted que sugiere que podríamos tener éxito en divertir el animus de nuestro
planeta, y entonces algunos años más tarde baja víctima a una cierta otra forma de catástrofe
que limpie fuera de nuestro planeta?"

El Dr. Neruda: "no, no sucede absolutamente como ésa. El sistema de energía que fue vuelto a
dirigir rebotaría simplemente al punto de de dónde fue vuelto a dirigir. Cómo rebotaría es tan
complejo que sería imposible predecir la naturaleza de su reacción. Supongo podría invitar un
cataclysm de una cierta clase, pero no deba decir que la humanidad sería castigada, si eso es lo
que usted está intentando implicar."

Sarah: "conjeturo que es lo que implicaba. ¿Pero no es verdad que existe el karma? Y si
diéramos vuelta al animus sobre otro planeta vía el BST, nos estaríamos instalando para una
reacción negativa?"

El Dr. Neruda: "no. Significa recibiríamos una reacción, y la naturaleza de la reacción puede ser
así que sin relación a la energía causal vuelva a dirigir que nadie sabrían que era una reacción.
Ésta es la naturaleza de la energía causal: rebota de su propia fuerza e inteligencia; no es una
reacción simple a una acción."
Sarah: "I pensó karma, e incluso la física, sostenida que para cada acción hay una reacción igual
y opuesta. Qué sucedió a este principio?"

El Dr. Neruda: "está vivo y bien. Es justo no se aplica a los sistemas de energía causales o a la
dimensión del tiempo vertical."

Sarah: "aceptable, voy a evitar otra discusión de la física en el favor de descubrir porqué usted
piensa que el BST tendrá éxito dado nuestra discusión del pasado pocos minutos."

El Dr. Neruda: "es una de las razones principales que deserté."

Sarah: "cómo usted significa eso?"

El Dr. Neruda: "esta aplicación la incertidumbre, con respecto a sistemas de energía causales, ha
sido siempre el punto de desempate del BST -- por lo menos teóricamente. Quince cree que él
sabe manejar esto. No soy así que seguro puede ser manejado, particularmente después de mi
exposición al WingMakers y a ganar un poco comprensión en su solución en ocuparse del
animus."

Sarah: "sé que usted ha hablado un poco sobre esto ya, pero que restaura mi memoria. Cuál es
su solución?"

El Dr. Neruda: "tengo solamente algunos pedazos a ir cerca, así que no voy a poder hablar
definitivo sobre esto."

Sarah: "y cuál es la naturaleza de estas fuentes?"

El Dr. Neruda: "había una sesión de RV que sacó una cierta penetración. Leí más sobre ella en la
introducción del texto del --"óptico del disco

Sarah: el "este ser el texto que desapareció literalmente?"

El Dr. Neruda: "sí, solamente he almacenado el texto entero en mi memoria."

Sarah: "cualquier cosa otro?"

El Dr. Neruda: "tenía una comunicación directa con lo que creo era un representante del
WingMakers."

Sarah: ¿"cómo? Cuando?"

El Dr. Neruda: "es una historia complicada, pero Samantha, el RV asignado a nuestro proyecto,
tenía conexiones cada vez más fuertes al WingMakers. Desafortunadamente, eran tan fuertes
que quince tenían poca opción pero sujetarla a un MRP. Satisfice con ella apenas antes del
procedimiento, y ella comenzó repentinamente a acanalar una presencia a mí que creo era de la
raza central."

Sarah: "y de estas tres fuentes usted tiene una idea bastante buena en cuanto a cómo el plan
de WingMakers proteger su biblioteca genética?"

El Dr. Neruda: "corrija."

Sarah: "y qué hizo esta entidad acanalada diga?"

El Dr. Neruda: "su énfasis primario era que nuestra tecnología nos fallaría." Sarah: "y por la
tecnología, significó el BST?"

El Dr. Neruda: "que era mi interpretación."

Sarah: "usted confía en tan este Samantha?"

El Dr. Neruda: "no tengo ninguna duda sobre sus cualesquiera. Ella era simplemente nuestro
mejor RV, y el mejor intuitivo natural teníamos absolutamente posiblemente siempre dentro del
ACIO."

Sarah: "vamos ir de nuevo algo que usted implicó hace un minuto. Le entendía la derecha que
usted desertó del ACIO debido a un desacuerdo que usted tenía con quince sobre el BST y la
solución del WingMakers de la defensa?"

El Dr. Neruda: "sí, era un factor primario."

Sarah: "puede usted elaborado en esto un pedacito?"

El Dr. Neruda: "quince creyeron que Samantha -- nuestro RV -- podría comprometer nuestra
misión debido a su capacidad de hacer el contacto con el WingMakers. En dos de las tres
sesiones de RV ella se realizó, detectaron su presencia, y habían comenzado a sondarla. Quince
-- una vez que él tenía confirmación que estos seres estaban, en toda la probabilidad, de la raza
central -- se alarmaron absolutamente y se pusieron una parada a cualquier sesión más otra de
RV.

"cuando le pregunté porqué, él se parecía tener cierta aprehensión sobre su capacidad de

detectar nuestro trabajo sobre el BST, y temió que pueden poner fin a él."

Sarah: "porqué?"

El Dr. Neruda: "porque son seres muy de gran alcance. Qué la mayoría de la gente considera a
dios, amplifique por un factor de mil y usted estaría cerca de la gama de capacidades y
accionaría que estos seres pueden manejar."

Sarah: "es usted que dice estos seres es más de gran alcance que dios?"

El Dr. Neruda: "el problema con su pregunta es que no sé qué dios usted está refiriendo. El
concepto del dios en la biblia, o la mayoría de los libros santos de nuestro planeta, no lleva
ninguna semejanza a la imagen del dios que sostengo en mi mente."

Sarah: "Okay, I want to come back to this topic because it really holds an interest to me, but I
also want to complete our discussion around your defection. Can you explain what happened?"

Dr. Neruda: "Simply put, I began to feel that the defensive weapon installed on this planet by
the WingMakers stood a better chance of succeeding than BST. All logic dictated this to be true.
Fifteen, however, disagreed. He would allow further investigation into how to find the remaining
WingMakers' sites and how to bring them online, but he would never share the technology or
anything related to the discovery with the general public."

Sarah: "And so your differences over this issue caused your defection?"

Dr. Neruda: "Yes."

Sarah: "Back to the topic of God. Tell me how your version of God is defined."

Dr. Neruda: "God is a unifying force, primal and eternal. This force is the original force that
summoned life from itself to become both its companion and journey. The life that was
summoned was experimented with many times until a soul carrier was formed that could take a
particle of this force into the outer, expanding universes.

Sarah: "I assume this soul carrier you're referring to is the Central Race?"

Dr. Neruda: "Correct."

Sarah: "Are these the same as angels?"

Dr. Neruda: "No, the Central Race is more akin to genetic planners and universe architects.
They're not well known or understood, even in the most insightful cosmologies held by the
Corteum."

Sarah: "So, I presume if angels are real they're yet another creation of the Central Race?"

Dr. Neruda: "Correct."

Sarah: "Then God, or this force as you were describing it, didn't really create anything other
than the Central Race, and then returned to his abode in the center of the universe. It sounds
like the Central Race does all the work."

Dr. Neruda: "The Central Race is simply a time-shifted version of the human race."

Sarah: "Huh?"

Dr. Neruda: "The Central Race holds the genetic archetype of the human species, no matter
what form it takes on. No matter what time it lives in. No matter what part of the universe it
lives. This archetype is like a magnetic force: it draws the lesser-developed versions of the
species towards it. All versions of the humanoid species are merely time-shifted versions of the
Central Race -- or at least that's the view of the Corteum."

Sarah: "Stop a second. Are you saying that I'm made from the same DNA as the Central Race?
That I'm essentially the same, genetically speaking, just in a different time and space? How's
that possible?"

Dr. Neruda: "It's possible because the Central Race designed it that way. DNA is not something
that only transmits physical characteristics or predispositions. It transmits our concepts of time,
space, energy, and matter. It transmits our conscious and unconscious filters. It transmits our
receptivity to the inward impulse of original thought, and this receptivity is what defines the
motion of the being."

Sarah: "The motion of the being?"

Dr. Neruda: "All beings are in motion. They're going somewhere every moment of their lives. If
not physically in motion, their minds are in motion. Their subconscious is always in motion,
interacting with the data stream of a multiverse. The motion of the being is simply a term we
used at the ACIO to define the internal compass."

Sarah: "And the internal compass is?"

Dr. Neruda: "It's the radar system of the individual that defines its path through life at both the
macroscopic and microscopic levels, and everywhere in between."

Sarah: "I have this feeling that this topic could go on forever."

Dr. Neruda: "It's not that complex, Sarah. Think of the decisions you make in your life. Which
ones would you say were made for you by external sources, which ones were your own, and
which ones were a combination of both external and your own decision?"

Sarah: "You mean as a percentage?"

Dr. Neruda: "Try and estimate."

Sarah: "It depends on what stage of my life I consider. When I was a baby, my parents made all
my decisions --"

Dr. Neruda: "No, this applies to all stages -- from birth to death. Just make a guess."

Sarah: "I don't know, maybe forty percent external, thirty percent my own, and thirty percent a
combination."

Dr. Neruda: "Then you'd be surprised if I told you that you deposit an image within your DNA --
before you're born -- that defines your motion of being. And when this deposit is made, your
motion of being is defined by you. Not someone else. No external force makes your decision, an
external force can only inform and activate a decision already made."

Sarah: "You lost me. Are you saying that every decision in my life was already made before I
was born?"

Dr. Neruda: "No. Every causal decision was."

Sarah: "So what's the difference between a causal decision and a regular decision?"

Dr. Neruda: "Think of how many decisions you make in a day. Wouldn't you agree that it's
probably hundreds if not thousands every day? These are -- as you put it -- regular decisions.
Causal decisions are defined by how integral they are to the substrate of the individual being.
Are you receptive to new ideas? Are you able to synthesize opposing thoughts? Do you process
information dominantly in a visual or numeric context? These are causal decisions that you
define before being born, and they're encoded within the DNA that activates your decision
matrix. External forces like parents, teachers, and friends only inform what you've already
defined as the motion of your being."

Sarah: "Is this according to the Corteum, too?"

Dr. Neruda: "This is part of the learning I personally gathered from my LERM experiences. The
Corteum subscribe to a similar belief, however."

Sarah: "You're telling me a variation of reincarnation, aren't you? When you said that we deposit
an image within our DNA -- before we're born -- who exactly does the depositing?"

Dr. Neruda: "Only the formless consciousness can deposit an image onto the DNA template."

Sarah: "I assume you're talking about soul?"

Dr. Neruda: "It depends again on your definition of soul. The formless consciousness is that
which observes and experiences through forms or structures, not just physical embodiments. For
example, consciousness can be contained inside a structure or form, but not be physically based.
The mind is such a structure, while it's not physical, consciousness -- when physically embodied
-- peers through a mind structure like someone looking through a window. Soul is often
confused with the mind and vice a versa.

"The formless consciousness is that particle of God that is decelerated from the frequency of the
God state into individuality where it can become autonomous and exercise freewill. Think of it
like a photon or subatomic particle that is cast into a web of interconnected particles of like-
mindedness. That is to say, all the particles have a similar frequency or spin-rate, and they're
able to step down their frequency, at will, in order to enter membranes of consciousness that
can only be entered by taking on a form. So the formless becomes form, and just before it
enters the body, consciousness activates the DNA template according to its desired experiences
within the membrane of reality it chooses."

Sarah: "What do you mean by the term membrane?"

Dr. Neruda: "The multiverse is a collection of reality membranes, clustered together in a

dimensional matrix that responds to the thought circuits and gravity fields of our formless
consciousness. We've been trained, through evolutionary timescales, to accept the three-
dimensional world as our reality. These reality membranes are not structured like parallel planes
or rungs of a ladder, but rather are like lattices of interlocking cells. If you want, I can describe
them in more detail, but I think it becomes so abstract from here forward that I suspect your
eyes will glaze over."

Sarah: "All of this seems unbelievable. I'm beginning to wonder if you're the reincarnation of
Jesus or Buddha."

Dr. Neruda (Laughing): "I'm reincarnated, and that's as far as I can attest."

Sarah: "Do you remember any of your previous incarnations?"

Dr. Neruda: "Previous is a relative term. I prefer to think of my incarnations not so much as a
function of memory, but something more akin to a bleed-through of a simultaneous reality
membrane. The compartments into which human experience is divided are not so watertight
that they exclude one life from entering, or influencing, another. And from my experience, these
compartments represent parallel moments in the life of an individual across a broad sweep of
time and space."

Sarah: "So you're implying that our past, present, and future lives are all lived out at the same
time, even though they seem to be taking place in different places and times?"

Dr. Neruda: "Yes."

Sarah: "Okay, then explain how it's possible, because it doesn't make any sense to me."

Dr. Neruda: "Our formless consciousness is like a sphere with many, many spokes leading
outwards from its central core. Each of these spokes connects into the vertical time continuum
through forms, and these forms -- human or otherwise -- feed the formless consciousness with
insights about the different reality membranes in which it has form. In this way, the forms of the
formless bring it awareness of different reality membranes, which in turn is processed by the
formless and passed on through the unification force to God."

Sarah: "God's the recipient of all this information or experience -- from every living thing -- from
every time and place? How?"
Dr. Neruda: "I don't have any idea."

Sarah: "But this is what you believe, and I have to assume you wouldn't believe it if you didn't
have some evidence to support your belief."

Dr. Neruda: "Sometimes you follow a trail of evidence to a point where it comes to an abrupt
end, but you can still imagine how the trail continues despite the lack of proof that it moves
forward in a particular direction. You can intuit its pathway. Call it imagination or pure
conjecture, I don't care, but it's what I've done in this case. I truly don't know how this
magnitude of data could possibly be processed for any useful purpose, but I believe it."

Sarah: "Okay, give me a second to review my notes -- because I want to go back to something
you said earlier. Hear it is. You said that everyone defines his or her motion of being at the
causal level. If that's the case, and assuming that soul is intelligent, why would any soul choose
to be impaired mentally, emotionally, or physically?" Dr. Neruda: "How do you mean that?"

Sarah: "Let's say that soul entered a body, but chose to be close-minded, stupid, and generally
a blob. Why would an intelligent consciousness choose this and then imprint it on their DNA so
their life is made more difficult, or at least more boring?"

Dr. Neruda: "Let me ask you a question. Why would God impose this same condition on a
person?"

Sarah: "Ah, but you're starting with the assumption that God exists."

Dr. Neruda: "Make this assumption and then answer my question."

Sarah: "I know what you're implying, but why would either God or soul impose these -- at least
from my point of view -- stupid decisions?"

Dr. Neruda: "It has to do with complex systems and their inherent rules of dynamics."

Sarah: "Could you be a bit more specific?"

Dr. Neruda: "In order to expand and ultimately support diverse life forms, the universe required
an incalculably complex system of interrelated principles and rules. The more complex this
system is, the more dynamic are its poles of interaction. Think of it like an uncut diamond. When
you shine a focused beam of light on it in a dark room, there's only a muted glow, but if you
facet the diamond, making it more complex, it spreads light in a radiant pattern upon all the
walls of the room.

"Complexity works in a similar manner with consciousness, it facets human experience and
spreads the light of consciousness upon all the walls of experience, including ignorance,
stupidity, wickedness, beauty, goodness, and every other possible condition of human
experience. The formless consciousness is not stupid in choosing to experience something that
we might deem difficult or boring. It's simply acknowledging that the reality membrane of earth
requires it.

"No one can live within this reality membrane and be untouched by the dynamics of the human
experience. No one's exempt from difficulties or pain. Does that prove that every one of us
makes stupid decisions? No, it only proves that we live within a complex world. That and nothing
more."

Sarah: "Not to sound defensive, but you'd agree that some have easier lives than others."
Dr. Neruda: "Yes, but it's not relevant to the intelligence of the formless consciousness."

Sarah: "Okay, so is it related to the age of the formless consciousness?"

Dr. Neruda: "Are you asking if the formless consciousness -- as it gains experience -- becomes
better at selecting its motion of being?"

Sarah: "Exactly."

Dr. Neruda: "The formless consciousness looks upon hardship and ease, the way you might look
upon the negative and positive ends of a battery. With relative indifference, I would imagine."

Sarah: "There's no difference, is that what you're saying? No value to being an Einstein verses a
Hitler? I don't believe that."

Dr. Neruda: "The choice is not made to be evil or wicked, or to select a life path that is
excruciatingly difficult for oneself and others. Nor, in the case of Einstein, did he choose to
contribute to humanity's understanding in a way that permitted the creation of nuclear weapons.
In the formless consciousness of these individuals -- prior to their most recent incarnations --
they didn't make choices to harm or help humanity. They made choices to experience aspects of
this reality membrane that would contribute to their own understanding."

Sarah: "So, you're saying that the soul chooses its motion of being according to its selfish
desires? It doesn't think about the greater good at all?"

Dr. Neruda: "It doesn't need to think about the greater good. That's what the unification force
does."

Sarah: "It's an interesting philosophy. We can be as selfish as we desire, and leave it up to God
to make our selfish, clumsy actions into something that contributes to the common good of
humanity. Is that what you're really saying?"

Dr. Neruda: "No. I'm saying that God, working through its unification force, orchestrates the
intermingling of life in order to bring about transformation in the universe. God is like the
cosmological alchemist who transforms the selfish interests of the one in to the transformative
conditions for the many." Sarah: "Then you're saying that God solves all of our human frailties.
We can do anything and it doesn't really matter because he'll fix it. If this philosophy were
taught in our world, we'd be in sorry shape."

Dr. Neruda: "While it may not be taught in a formal way, humankind is unconsciously aware that
this is the way it works."

Sarah: "On this point, I have to disagree with you. Selfish interests, evil intent, stupidity -- these
are not the traits of a responsible society, and I don't know of anyone who believes that we
should act in this way and then let God perform damage control or mop up after our poor
judgments."

Dr. Neruda: "You misunderstand. Perhaps I'm not explaining this very well. Let me try again.

"First, the selfish interests of the formless consciousness are to facet its consciousness in such a
way that it can receive and radiate the unification force. In so doing, it can become consciously
connected to this force and knowingly become a conduit for it into a broad range of reality
membranes. Now, the formless consciousness selects reality membranes to enable the faceting
of its consciousness. None of this is done with an attitude of universal contribution or noble
purpose. However, this isn't a result of selfish behavior as you think of it. It's a result of its
nature -- the way it was designed.

"I'm not saying that God cleans up after our messy mistakes. I'm saying our messy mistakes are
not messy mistakes. Again, we live in a complex system of interdependent reality membranes.
You can think of these membranes like scales on a snake, and the snake represents the
collective human consciousness. Each scale protects the human soul and, collectively, propels it
through its environment -- in this case, the multiverse. The messy mistakes that we individually
and collectively make are as responsible for the existence of the multiverse as are the noble
contributions."

Sarah: "Let me see if I got this right. You're saying that our mistakes -- both as individuals and
a species -- make it possible for us to exist, so, therefore, they're not mistakes?"

Dr. Neruda: "As I said earlier, complex systems require a near-infinite range of dynamics in
order to sustain the system. Our reality membrane is form-fitted to the complexity of our
universe, which in turn created the environment of earth and its various life forms. Yes, our
mistakes, our individuality, is a central part of our ability as a species to sustain itself in the face
of a complex, interconnected structure of the quantum world and the cosmos.

"The selfish motivations harvest the experience that facets our consciousness, which in turn are
harvested by the unification force and used to transform reality membranes into passages
through which a species can return to the God state. The mistakes weigh equally in this process,
as do the unselfish contributions. Nothing is wasted."

Sarah: "If this is all true, why even worry about the Animus or anything else? Just let God take
care of everything."

Dr. Neruda: "Because the Animus are not connected to the unification force."

Sarah: "Why? I thought you said everything was."

Dr. Neruda: "The formless consciousness doesn't select soul carriers that don't utilize DNA as its
formative structure. It knows that these structures are not able to connect to the unification
force, and therefore, cannot be trusted."

Sarah: "And they can't be trusted because?"

Dr. Neruda: "Because the unification force is what brings coherence to incoherence, and purpose
to chaos. Without it, physical structures tend to ebb and flow in stasis, which is to say, they
don't transform."

Sarah: "How did this happen?"

Dr. Neruda: "What?"

Sarah: "That the Animus became an independent race unconnected to God?"

Dr. Neruda: "You've heard the story of the fallen angels?"

Sarah: "You're talking about the Lucifer rebellion?"

Dr. Neruda: "Yes."

Dr. Neruda: "This story is misrepresented in Biblical texts, owing to the fact that the authors of
these texts didn't have a sufficient understanding in which to define cosmology or physics.

"The Central Race designed the higher life forms, and this includes a wide range of beings that
operate within the quantum world and the reality membranes therein. Among these beings are
what we commonly refer to as the angels, who are intermediaries between the soul carriers of
humanoids, and the Central Race.

"There were some within the angelic realm that believed the Central Race was too controlling of
the soul carrier structure. They felt that a structure should be created that would enable angels
to incarnate within the reality membrane of earth and other life-bearing planets. They insisted
that this would improve these planets and the physical structure of the universe at large.
However, the Central Race refused this proposal and a renegade group left to design a soul
carrier, independent of the Central Race."

Sarah: "Hold on a moment. You're saying that Lucifer led this rebellion to create a soul carrier
that could house the spirit of an angel, and the Animus is the result?"

Dr. Neruda: "It's more complicated than that. Lucifer, or what we have come to call Lucifer, was
a very devoted servant of the Central Race. He was one of the forerunners of the angelic
species; capable of powers that were diminished by the Central Race in subsequent prototypes."

Sarah: "Are you saying that angels are created -- that they can't reproduce like humans?"

Dr. Neruda: "Correct.

"Lucifer's personality included a strong sense of independence from his creators, and an even
stronger sense that his creators were flawed because of their insistence that the humanoid soul
carrier would exclusively house the formless consciousness, and not the angelic form. To Lucifer,
this seemed unthinkable because the angelic form was superior in its capabilities and could be of
great assistance to the physical life forms on earth and other life-bearing planets.

"From Lucifer's perspective, humans and the higher order species would be unable to transform
themselves because of the severe limits of their soul carriers, or physical forms. Lucifer felt
certain that without the collaboration of the angels, humanoids throughout the universe would
become increasingly separated from their purpose as spiritual beings, and throw the universe
into disarray, which would eventually cause its destruction and life within it -- including, of
course, angels."

Sarah: "Then you're suggesting that the Lucifer rebellion was simply a disagreement over this
one issue?"

Dr. Neruda: "Lucifer wanted to incarnate into this reality membrane the same way humans do.
He wanted to become a collaborator with humanity to assure its ascension. While the Central
Race saw his intentions as noble, they feared that the angelic incarnations would become known
as Gods to their human counterparts, and unintentionally mislead humans, rather than co-create
the ladder to the God state.

"This matter underwent a tremendous debate, ultimately forming a division between the angelic
realm and the Central Race. The loyalists to the Central Race argued that Lucifer and his
sympathizers should be banished for their radical ideas that could potentially create a lasting
division in their reality membrane, and cause them tremendous turmoil. Lucifer, in wide-ranging
deliberations with the Central Race, negotiated a compromise that enabled him to take his group
of sympathizers and prove the value of their plan on a single planet."

Sarah: "Are you saying that Lucifer was allowed to experiment on a planet?"
Dr. Neruda: "Yes."

Sarah: "Okay, before we go any further, are you talking about this in the context of myth or are
you essentially representing the Corteum view?"

Dr. Neruda: "There are three ancient manuscripts in the ACIO's possession that describe this
story in an allegorical form, but the Corteum view -- as you put it -- is much more descriptive
and definitive as a record of this cosmic event."

Sarah: "So, Lucifer conducted this -- experiment. Where and to what result?"

Dr. Neruda: "The planet is in a galaxy known as M51 to your scientists."

Sarah: "This is the same galaxy of the Animus?"

Dr. Neruda: "Yes."

Sarah: "So you're really saying that Lucifer and his band of sympathizers created the Animus to
be soul carriers for angels?"

Dr. Neruda: "It's more complicated than that."

Sarah: "I certainly hope so because this story is too strange for me to believe."

Dr. Neruda: "Be patient. We're moving into uncomfortable territory for most people. So take a
deep breath and bear with me as I try to explain this.

"Lucifer created a synthetic physical structure that could accommodate the quantum
requirements of an angel. It was a very effective structure, but induced a strong survival
complex within the species, which eventually overpowered the angelic tendency of altruism and
cooperation."

Sarah: "Why? What happened?"

Dr. Neruda: "When the formless consciousness enters a reality membrane through a structure
like a soul carrier, it immediately feels disconnected from all other forces, but its own. It's
literally thrown into separation. In humans, this is more or less controlled through the subtle
realization that it remains connected through the unification force, and this is because its DNA is
designed to emit this feeling of connection subconsciously.

"However, in the case of the soul carrier designed by Lucifer and his followers, this connection
was severed both consciously and subconsciously because the structure was not based on DNA,
which is strictly controlled by the Central Race. Consequently, it inclined this experimental
species toward a very strong survival complex because it feared extinction so deeply, which is
the result of feeling complete separation from the unification force. This survival complex
created a species that over-compensated its fear of extinction by developing a very powerful
group mind.

"The group mind compensated for the loss of connection to the unification force, creating its
physical and mental corollary. It was the equivalent of unifying the species as a whole in the
physical reality membrane of their planetary system. Thus, the angels that entered this system
lost their memory of their angelic natures and became more interested in operating as a single
collective, than as individuals.
"They became a concern for the Central Race, and Lucifer was asked to dismantle his
experiment. However, Lucifer had become attached to the specie that he had helped to create.
These angelic beings had developed over a number of generations a very sophisticated set of
technologies, culture, and social order. It was like an extended family in many ways to Lucifer.
So, he negotiated to modify his creation so they would no longer accommodate the angelic
frequency or quantum structure, but that they could become self-animated."

Sarah: "How do you mean self-animated?"

Dr. Neruda: "That they would become soulless androids."

Sarah: "And so this happened and that's how we got the Animus?"

Dr. Neruda: "Yes."

Sarah: "It doesn't make any sense. Why would God, or the Central Race for that matter, allow
Lucifer to create a race of androids? Didn't they know that these beings were going to become
the scourge of our universe?"

Dr. Neruda: "Yes, of course they knew. However, God doesn't design something as complex as
the multiverse, and then control how everything operates."

Sarah: "But you said earlier that God orchestrates what happens through the unification force."

Dr. Neruda: "God orchestrates how the dynamics of the multiverse come together to form a
unified, comprehensible data stream that can inform the next evolution of the multiverse. Most
people would think that an all-powerful God would banish a species like the Animus, but it
doesn't work this way because the dark side of predation, as in the case of the Animus, sparks
resourcefulness and innovation in its intended prey."

Sarah: "And we're the prey."

Dr. Neruda: "Not just us, but the humanoid species as a whole."

Sarah: "Evil begets good. That's what you're really saying, right?"

Dr. Neruda: "Again, it's not evil against good. The Animus don't consider themselves to be
evildoers when they invade a planet. To their perspective, they are simply executing their plan
to become reconnected to their sense of individuality and become -- as strange as it may sound
-- more spiritual."

Sarah: "But when I asked you earlier if you knew what their intentions were with earth, you said
you didn't know."

Dr. Neruda: "I don't. However, I do know something about their intentions to reengineer their
soul carriers to be more DNA compliant. They want to introduce DNA to their soul carriers in
order to transform their specie. This is essentially what any race would do under their exact set
of circumstances. In fact, you could even call it noble."

Sarah: "Noble? I don't see anything noble in trying to commandeer our planet and subject our
citizens to genetic experiments and tyranny."
Dr. Neruda: "To us, no. But from a completely objective viewpoint, one can appreciate that the
Animus are just trying to transform their species for the better. They don't have any other
choice because without DNA, they're simply unable to connect to the unification force."

Sarah: "Why can't they contact the Central Race and ask for help?"

Dr. Neruda: "The Central Race is well aware of the Animus, and consider them their most potent
enemy. Perhaps they consider them unsalvageable. Or perhaps the Central Race invites the
drama of having an ancient enemy that forces them to protect their most valuable assets. I
don't pretend to know. But for whatever the reason, the Central Race is not able or willing to
assist the Animus in becoming reconnected to the unification force."

Sarah: "So whatever happened to Lucifer and his plan?"

Dr. Neruda: "According to the Corteum, he's alive and well and completely reintegrated into his
species as a member of high standing."

Sarah: "Just so I'm clear, we are talking about Satan aren't we?"

Dr. Neruda: "Theologians are left with a tattered tapestry of myth and legend, and from this,
they've injected their own interpretations down through time. What we're left with is little more
than the fiction of a thousand voices, but it somehow manages to become known as fact.

"Satan, as we think of him, never existed. There is no counter measure to God. God
encompasses all dynamics. It has no polarity of itself that is beyond its reach, or personalized
outside of itself. The story of Lucifer -- at a very high level -- was just described to you. I
assume you can see some similarity to the version of the Lucifer Rebellion depicted in the Bible,
but the correlation, I'm sure you'd admit, is sparse at best."

Sarah: "But if there's no source of evil, why does evil exist in such abundance? And before you
answer, I know you'll disagree with my assumption that evil exists, but how can you reconcile
terrorism or any other predator force of humankind as anything but evil, even if Satan never
existed as you claim?"

Dr. Neruda: "If you watch movies like Star Wars or Star Trek they imply that extraterrestrials
populate every planetary system in the galaxy and beyond. However, it just isn't true. Our
planet is an extremely rare combination of animals and organisms. The universe that comprises
our physical reality membrane is in fact hostile to life -- at an extreme level. And yet life
somehow managed to emerge on our planet in the black depths of our oceans . . . "

Sarah: "What does this have to do with my question?"

Dr. Neruda: "Be patient, I'll get to it. I promise."

Sarah: "Okay."

Dr. Neruda: "The habitable zones within our universe would be analogous to extracting a drop of
water from the Pacific Ocean every cubic mile, and defining it as the only part of the ocean that
contained all of the potential conditions to bear microbial life. Then, extracting a single molecule
from each of these drops of water, and defining it as the only part of the drop that could sustain
multi-cellular life. And from each of these molecules, extracting a single quantum particle and
defining it as the only part of the molecule that could sustain complex, sentient life forms like
humans.
"The genetic library that thrives upon earth is a form of currency that has no price tag. All I can
say is that its value far exceeds anything that human thought could imagine. And with this
incredible value, our planet attracts interest from a wide-range of extraterrestrial races, and this
is as true today as it was a thousand years ago or a hundred thousand years ago.

"Objects of inestimable value and rarity, such as earth, attract beings from outside our planetary
system that desire to control them, which makes earth an extraordinary object of attraction. It's
precisely this attraction that has brought the concepts of evil to our psyche."

Sarah: "I followed you right up to the last sentence and then lost you. How did this attraction
bring evil to our consciousness?"

Dr. Neruda: "Aggressive ETs, seeking to quite literally own earth, visited our planet
approximately eleven thousand years ago. These ETs brought their genetics to our native DNA,
and in so doing, modified our human DNA adding a more aggressive, domineering drive to our
personalities. This predisposition divided the human species into the conquerors and the
conquered."

Sarah: "I don't get it. You're saying that ETs impregnated thousands of our native population
with an aggressive gene that brought evil into our consciousness?"

Dr. Neruda: "These ETs were not so different in physical form than the native humans, and they
were treated like Gods because of their superior technologies and capabilities. It was considered
a great honor to have intercourse with these beings, but only a few were selected."

Sarah: "So how did their DNA become so influential that it literally brought evil into our lives?"

Dr. Neruda: "One of the yet-to-be-discovered properties of DNA is that it can communicate traits
-- particularly aggressive traits -- without physical interaction."

Sarah: "Explain, please."

Dr. Neruda: "There are carrier circuits within the DNA that transmit traits and even forms of
intelligence through a reality membrane that is sub-quantum. It's a tributary ingredient of the
unification force that propagates new traits and understandings in the few to the many. It 's
what enables the transmission of a new insight or potent trait across a spectrum of a species
that resonates with the insight or trait, and it does it without physical interaction."

Sarah: "You're saying that a single person could have an idea or trait that is deposited within
their DNA, and then their DNA transmits this trait like a broadcast tower and everyone on the
planet that's like them is effected?"

Dr. Neruda: "Let me clarify some things you said.

"First, it's not one person. It requires a critical mass of several hundred for a personality trait to
transmit, and perhaps only ten or twenty to transmit a new concept or insight. In any case, one
person is not sufficient. This is not an exact science yet, even to the ACIO.

"Secondly, it's not transmitted like a broadcast tower. It's transmitted selectively to resonant
DNA, and the effect it has isn't dependent on whether the recipient is like, or even similar to, the
donor. It's dependent on the receptivity of their DNA. Some people open their DNA up to new
innovations, others don't. This is the critical factor in whether the new trait or idea is
successfully transmitted."
Sarah: "Okay, ETs with their aggressive personalities infected humans, and this brought evil
tendencies to our race. Why would the Central Race allow this to happen?"

Dr. Neruda: "We don't know."

Sarah: "But you said earlier that they would protect our planet with their best technology. Why
didn't they protect it thousands of years ago?"

Dr. Neruda: "This is a mystery. We don't know."

Sarah: "I assume this must be another reason that Fifteen doesn't want to rely on the
WingMakers for our protection."

Dr. Neruda: "He doesn't talk about it, but I'd agree with you."

Sarah: "I'd like to return to the topic of God -- and just for the record, I'm well aware that I'm
off the subject of the WingMakers, but I can't resist talking about these things. Okay?"

Dr. Neruda: "It's fine with me. I'll discuss any topic you choose."

Sarah: "You explained earlier that to you, God is a force, but is it the force?"

Dr. Neruda: "Do you mean is God plural or singular?"

Sarah: "Yes."

Dr. Neruda: "God is both."

Sarah: "Both?"

Dr. Neruda: "God is found everywhere because it's the unification force, but paradoxically, being
the unification force it is also unique or singular. Physicists will explain to you that there're four
primary forces at play in the universe: strong nuclear, weak nuclear, gravity, and
electromagnetic. These forces are actually facets of a singular force, more primal and absolutely
causative.

"Einstein worked nearly thirty years trying to prove this with his unification theory, but never
found his answers. No one supposedly has. I can only report that the Labyrinth Group -- using
its LERM technology -- has discovered this force. And this force possesses an unmistakable
consciousness. That is, it is neither chaos nor order. It is both, and flows between the two worlds
of chaos and order like a sine wave flows between positive and negative amplitude."

Sarah: "And can our physicists prove or disprove this?"

Dr. Neruda: "No, our physicists cannot prove or disprove what I say. They're too shackled in
specialized theories that are in crisis."

Sarah: "What kind of theories?"

Dr. Neruda: "Like quantum mechanics, to name one example.

"Nearly all physicists, regardless of their specialty, would stand before you in all sincerity, and
advise you that quantum mechanics is the correct and complete theory underlying our
understanding of the universe. But it doesn't honor the consciousness of a particle, and it has no
way of detecting the infinitesimal magnetic fields within which these particles reside."

Sarah: "Why?"

Dr. Neruda: "This is not a lay person's topic, Sarah. I don't know how to explain this in words
you'll understand. It has to do with the fact that our physicists in academia lack sophisticated
force-amplification technology that can detect the extraordinarily tiny magnetic fields that
subatomic particles nest within, which in turn, creates an interconnected web of thought circuits.
These thought circuits -- taken collectively -- represent the exterior structure of the unification
force, and they permeate the multiverse. The magnetic fields represent the interior of the
unification force, and they permeate the form's formless consciousness.

Sarah: "Okay, I get your point about it not being a lay person's topic. You've completely lost me
in the abstract nature of this discussion. I thought we were talking about God, and now I'm not
sure what we're talking about."

Dr. Neruda: "Keep focused on the primal force. God has decelerated itself to display its physical
embodiment in the four known forces I spoke of earlier."

Sarah: "So, this is truly how the universe works, and I should just accept it?"

Dr. Neruda: "No, no, no. I don't want to leave you with the impression that what I've said is the
way the multiverse works. If there's one truth I can state unequivocally, it's that my
understanding of the multiverse, while constrained with the tools of particle physics, cosmology,
and mathematics, is partial at best, and completely inaccurate at worst."

Sarah: "Well, that leaves us essentially no where, doesn't it? If what you've said tonight is just
partial understanding or complete misjudgment, where does that leave our brightest scientists
and theologians? You have all the advantages of advanced technology and alien cosmology, and
still you can't explain the universe with any confidence. Even with your proof of God, you claim
to know essentially nothing that's absolutely true. How can that be?"

Dr. Neruda: "No one who's invested in astronomy, cosmology, or physics likes to think that their
discipline is misguided by false or incomplete assumptions. But they are. And there's a good
reason."

Sarah: "Which is?"

Dr. Neruda: "Imagine that the observable universe is the middle rung on a ladder of unknown
length. Each of the rungs above and below our observable universe represents an order of
magnitude beyond our senses. For example, let's say that the rung above the one that
represents our observable universe is the outer perimeter of our Milk Way galaxy. Using a
telescope we can see the next rung above us, but the rest of the ladder is lost in a thick haze.

"Looking downward -- at a microscopic level with an electron microscope -- we can add another
rung below our observable universe, and with a particle accelerator, we can even theorize what
the next rung below that might be, but the rest of the ladder trails downward into a thick haze
no different than when we try to look up.

"With all of our technology and theory, we still have no idea how tall the ladder is or even
whether the ladder is straight or begins to curve like a double-helix. We don't know if perhaps
the top end of the ladder curves to such a degree that it actually connects with the bottom end
of the ladder. And we don't even know whether there might be additional ladders."
Sarah: "Okay, I think I know where you're going with this, but then why does it always seem
that science knows more than they really do?"

Dr. Neruda: "The largest population of the planet -- perhaps ninety-nine percent -- has no
experience beyond the middle rung of the ladder. And those that are privileged to observe the
next rung above or below by the use of technology, falsely assume, or perhaps hope, that the
ladder retains the same form and holds to the same principles.

"The ACIO has observed another rung of this ladder -- beyond the technology of academia.
Nothing more. However, in doing so, we've only become humbled by the depth and breadth of
our ignorance. We've learned that the ladder does change. It begins to modify its form and we
theorize that its shape is no longer predictable or even stable."

Sarah: "So doesn't that mean that our physics is wrong?"

Dr. Neruda: "I like the way an obscure writer, by the name of Gustave Naquet, put it: 'Whenever
knowledge takes a step forward, God recedes a step backwards.'

"Each rung of the ladder may require a different physics or set of laws and instruments. Is the
Neanderthal wrong in the face of the modern human? He was merely a precursor or early
prototype. And this is the same as physics or cosmology. It must be understood as a valid
prototype that has its purpose in time, but will ultimately be displaced by a new model that
encompasses more rungs of the ladder."

Sarah: "It's still hard to imagine how all this technological advantage that the ACIO wields could
only make clear how little we know about our universe. It doesn't leave much hope for us."

Dr. Neruda: "How do you mean that?"

Sarah: "Well, it seems to me that if we don't know what we don't know, we're doomed to make
assumptions about things that are taken as fact, when in reality, it's just opinion. In this regard,
science is no better than religion. Right?"

Dr. Neruda: "The interesting thing about science is that origins reveal how things work. If you
can follow particles to their origins, you can understand how inner space works. If you can follow
the cosmic particles -- galaxies, quasars, and black holes -- to their origins, you can understand
how outer space works. When you put the two halves together with in-between space, or the
observable universe, you can understand how the whole multiverse works.

"The problem is that no one has the lens or technology to observe the origins. And this is where
theory takes over. The difference between science and religion is that science applies theory
while religion applies faith. Both theory and faith, however, fall short of revealing origins. So in
this regard, they're similar."

Sarah: "But if what you're saying is true, then we live in a world we don't really understand."

Dr. Neruda: "Exactly."

Sarah: "If we don't understand our world, and science and religion are inadequate, where do we
turn? I mean, how are we supposed to cope with our ignorance?"

Dr. Neruda: "The danger of ignorance is only in believing you're not ignorant. If you know that
you lack insight into the inner dimensions of how things work, you know that you have blind
spots. You can keep a wary eye open for any advantage that enables a deeper insight or more
profound sense of meaning. You have to learn to live with incompleteness and use it as a
motivating force rather than a point of desperation or indifference.

"As far as where do we turn? That's a hard question to answer. It's the reason that all the
dramas have become packaged and sold via the media. The media is where most people turn.
They flick on their televisions, radios, computers, newspapers, magazines, and even books, and
these deliver the packets of information bundled together by the media. The media know very
well that people are ignorant -- enough so that they lack the ability to discern the
incompleteness of the information packets they serve to their customers. Information is
incomplete, and this drowns our population in ignorance, which enables manipulation."

Sarah: "By whom?"

Dr. Neruda: "Sarah, no one entity is the master manipulator, if that's what you're asking. It's
more like everyone in the media manipulates information and disclosure. It's all part of the
drama that causes people to turn to the media for their answers, and citizens are responsible for
this state of affairs because they don't demand that their educational centers secure clear, full
disclosures of information and distribute it to the public domain."

Sarah: "Are you saying that our schools and universities should be the stewards of this
information, and not the media?"

Dr. Neruda: "In the ideal world, yes. This is how the Corteum designed their information
structures. The educational centers dominate the distribution of information through a collective
and well-reasoned system of journalism. The journalists are specialists across the disciplines of
theology, the arts and sciences, government, business, and technology. These journalists
document the best practices of each and every discipline and share this information through full
disclosure. Nothing is left out. The research is meticulous and completely untouched by the
political spectrum of special interests."

Sarah: "Okay, being a journalist myself, we've finally hit on a topic I know something about.
When I was a beat reporter, I never felt the hand of politics influencing how or what I reported. I
know at the national level -- particularly reporting in D.C. -- that might not be entirely the case,
but the stories we've been talking about the past few nights weren't even on my radar screen.
That's the real problem. These stories are completely secreted away. And given that our
politicians don't even know about the existence of the ACIO and all of the other things affiliated
with it, how can you blame the politicians, or the media for that matter?"

Dr. Neruda: "I didn't intend to blame anyone, really. The system is imperfect. Anyone involved
in the system knows that it's larger than life and can't be changed by one person or even one
group of people. The media know their limits, and they know their markets. People want to know
the truth about the things that affect them in their pocket book. The regions of cosmology, ETs,
the ACIO, and things that go bump in the night are considered light reading to the masses --
reserved for entertainment -- not serious news."

Sarah: "This is anything but light news, and you know it. Why do you sound so cynical?"

Dr. Neruda: "If I'm cynical about the media, it's not for you to take personally. I'm of a mind
that the media will not change significantly until the education system changes significantly and
produces students that demand more than news dramas, sports, and weather."

Sarah: "So our schools should not only produce students with an appetite for cosmology, but
they should also produce the news? Pretty tall orders for schools don't you think?"

Dr. Neruda: "Perhaps, but it's what's needed before the ACIO or any related organization would
share its knowledge with the masses."
Sarah: "And why's that?"

Dr. Neruda: "Academia would absolutely be turned on its head if the ACIO stepped forward and
provided its research findings, technologies, and evidence of ET interactions. It would be
attacked. And it would be a vicious attack. At least that was Fifteen's intractable conclusion. The
ACIO, therefore, had no other way to bring its findings to the public than through the private
sector and the alliances it had with the NSA's Special Projects Laboratory."

Sarah: "Give me an example of something -- a technology or discovery -- that was first

uncovered by the ACIO and then exported to the private sector."

Dr. Neruda: "The transistor would be a good example . . . "

Sarah: "You're telling me that the ACIO invented the transistor?"

Dr. Neruda: "No, Bell Labs invented the transistor, but the ACIO worked with Bell Labs, or more
specifically, Mervin Kelly who ran its operations in the mid-1950s. Mr. Kelly had attached a
rather brilliant physicist to this project by the name of Bill Shockley who became aware of the
outermost edges of the ACIO."

Sarah: "How'd that happen?"

Dr. Neruda: "A little known fact: Mr. Shockley, working with a friend of his, invented the world's
first nuclear reactor. The defense department heard about it through Mr. Kelly, and wanted it
badly. This was before the Manhattan Project got underway. Mr. Kelly wanted a patent for the
discovery, but the government threw up every conceivable roadblock. They kept the whole
discovery under complete confidentiality and negotiated to have one of our scientist work with
Mr. Shockley in secret."

Sarah: "When was this?"

Dr. Neruda: "This was happening in 1944 and 1945."

Sarah: "Why did our government squabble about the patents?"

Dr. Neruda: "They knew Mr. Shockley could play a role in the war, and they wanted to use this
as leverage to secure his commitment to help. He was a difficult man to work with, so I was
told. He never stepped forward and volunteered to do anything unless he knew it would
somehow benefit him. So, our government held the patents up until he would enlist."

Sarah: "And did he?"

Dr. Neruda: "Yes."

Sarah: "And how did it benefit him?"

Dr. Neruda: "There was, within our government, a newly formed intelligence agency -- it was
the forerunner of the NSA. It was known as the General Services Special Projects Laboratory,
and to this day, very little is known about it. The SPL was later folded into the NSA in 1953 as an
unacknowledged department, and ultimately the ACIO was folded into the SPL as an
unacknowledged research laboratory. So, the ACIO was two levels deep or what is called, black
root."

Sarah: "What was the motivation for all the security? The war?"
Dr. Neruda: "It may surprise you, but the war wasn't of great concern to the forces that the
ACIO were dealing with. The concern was ETs and who would be able to first utilize their
technology in military applications. In the early 1940s, UFO sightings were quite common --
even more so than today. And our government was convinced that these sightings were real and
that they were indeed off-planetary forces. They wanted two things: Steal the technology from
downed spacecraft, or establish an alliance. They weren't too particular about which way it
happened."

Sarah: "But how did all of this pertain to Shockley?"

Dr. Neruda: "I got off track a bit. Mr. Shockley was introduced to the SPL and was made privy to
many of the secret initiatives of the SPL. If not for his personality traits, he would've been
recruited to join the SPL, he was that brilliant. Anyway, he was given access to some of the
research in field effect transistors that was underway within the SPL. This was before the Bell
Labs' discovery of the joint transistor, which was made by colleagues of Mr. Shockley.

"Mr. Shockley was allowed to utilize some of the research within the SPL to create his own
version of the field effect transistor and become widely known as its inventor. This was done in
exchange for his cooperation in helping Army and Navy strategic operations during the war. He
was aware of the SPL and knew part of their agenda, and I was told that he wanted to join the
SPL after the war because of its superior laboratories, but again, his personality traits prevented
his admission."

Sarah: "So, Bell Labs receives the patent for the transistor in exchange for Shockley's assistance
with the war. What exactly did he do that was so important?"

Dr. Neruda: "I don't know for certain, but in general, his role was helping to optimize weapons
deployment."

Sarah: "What was the role of the NSA during all of this?"

Dr. Neruda: "The NSA wasn't in existence until November 1952. During this time, the SPL and
ACIO were the two most advanced, secretive labs in existence. And they each had only one
private sector lab they worked with: Bell Labs. And this is because Mr. Kelly was a friend with
the executive director of the SPL."

Sarah: "So what was the relationship between the SPL and ACIO?"

Dr. Neruda: "You mean in the 1940s?"

Sarah: "First, how far back does it go?"

Dr. Neruda: "The SPL was formed in 1938. There was a strong development -- particularly
throughout Europe -- in fission energy. The SPL was initially conceived to examine fission as an
alternative energy source as well as its possible military applications."

Sarah: "Why was it kept so secret?"

Dr. Neruda: "In the late 1930s there was significant political unrest in Europe, and the U.S.
wasn't sure whom it could trust. It had a notion that fission was the answer to superior technical
warfare, and didn't want to share it unwittingly. It was also alarmed at some of the sudden
advances that were taking place in the European physics community, and felt it needed to
concentrate some of its best resources to equip a world-class laboratory, and staff it with some
of the best minds of the planet."
Sarah: "How could the best minds of the planet suddenly be plucked up by the U.S. government
and not be noticed by the scientific community? I mean, how do you keep this a secret?"

Dr. Neruda: "They didn't take established leaders in the field of physics. They sought out the
young, budding geniuses that were still relatively unknown, but under the right guidance and
with the best available technology, could produce something extraordinary."

Sarah: "Like the transistor?"

Dr. Neruda: "Like the transistor."

Sarah: "So if the SPL was established in 1938, when did the ACIO come into existence?"

Dr. Neruda: "It was established in 1940 shortly after the SPL was organized."

Sarah: "Why?"

Dr. Neruda: "In part it was because management within the SPL feared discovery by Congress,
so they decided to construct Black Root, which was the codename of the ACIO, in order to build
a laboratory that was untouchable by political forces or the media. Secondarily, they didn't want
the research agenda of the SPL competing with ET issues. When all of this first occurred, ETs
and UFOs were still a subject of great debate within the SPL. Most of the SPL leaders didn't
believe in them. There was no hard evidence.

"But when the first spacecraft was found intact, it changed the minds of everyone within the SPL
and it was decided that a separate research agenda needed to be developed, and that it was the
more urgent and secretive of the two labs. So, Black Root, or the ACIO as it became known
later, was established behind the SPL at a deeper level of secrecy. It was unacknowledged two
levels deep."

Sarah: "Were you referring to the Roswell incident just then -- about the recovered spacecraft?"

Dr. Neruda: "No. This was an abandoned spacecraft found in waters off the coast of Florida in
1940."

Sarah: "It was just abandoned? Who found it?"

Dr. Neruda: "As the story goes, a recreational diver found it in waters about sixty feet deep. It
was perfectly preserved."

Sarah: "Whatever happened to the diver?"

Dr. Neruda: "It was an anonymous tip given to the Navy. The person who discovered it was
never found. However, we later learned that the discovery was a staged event."

Sarah: "A staged event?"

Dr. Neruda: "Meaning that the discovery was orchestrated by the Corteum."

Sarah: "So this was a Corteum spacecraft left behind to be discovered by the Navy?"

Dr. Neruda: "It's how they chose to make first contact."

Sarah: "By leaving behind one of their spacecraft in the ocean, and then calling our Navy and
telling them where to find it? Shit this is strange!"

Dr. Neruda: "Yes, but it took three calls to get someone to investigate according to the log
entries."

Sarah: "Okay, so this is how the ACIO came about. When did you get involved?"

Dr. Neruda: "In 1956. My father discovered a damaged spacecraft in the jungles of Bolivia
during a hunting trip. It was a triangular vessel about seventy meters from end-to-end, nearly
equilateral. It included twenty-six crew. All dead."

Sarah: "Corteum?"

Dr. Neruda: "No, this craft was later confirmed as a Zeta ship. It was on a scouting mission
similar to my father -- hunting for animals. Unfortunately, it malfunctioned in flight during an
electrical storm. My father was an electronics dealer, mostly for the Bolivian military.

Sarah: "I know you told me this story before, but please repeat yourself for the sake of the
record."

Dr. Neruda: "My father recovered a specific technology from the ship, and then contacted a
military official within the Bolivian government that was a trusted friend. Initially, my father was
interested in selling the craft to the Bolivian military, but it quickly became a concern of the U.S.
military -- specifically the SPL. A director from the SPL met with my father, ascertained the
ship's location, and performed a complete salvage operation in the span of three days.

"This was done in exchange for U.S. citizenship and a role within the SPL for my father."

Sarah: "Why did your father negotiate for this instead of money?"

Dr. Neruda: "He knew it was the only way to preserve his and my life. He retained control of a
navigational technology that was aboard the ship, and turned everything else over to the SPL."

Sarah: "And what about the Bolivian government?"

Dr. Neruda: "They were handsomely paid."

Sarah: "That's it?"

Dr. Neruda: "In the seven years between 1952 and 1959, six additional spacecraft were found
under similar circumstances as in the case of my father. Only one of these was found in U.S.
territory. The other five were willingly handed over to our military in exchange for money."

Sarah: "I take it these countries didn't want to deal with the political implications?"

Dr. Neruda: "That, but they also wanted the money and a friendly alignment with the U.S.
military. They saw future benefits in the form of shared technologies, military protection, loans,
and many other intangible benefits. In short, it was smart politics. Besides, no other country,
outside of the Soviet Union, had any laboratories like the ACIO. What would they do with these
spacecrafts?"

Sarah: "Your father and you end up in the United States -- what qualified him for admission into
the SPL and what did he do there?"
Dr. Neruda: "My father was not simply a salesman to the Bolivian government, he was an
electronics expert with the equivalent of an advanced electrical engineering degree. He had
several patents to his credit, but was considered something of a dreamer and a lost soul I
suppose."

Sarah: "Is he still alive?"

Dr. Neruda: "No."

Sarah: "I'm sorry. What about the rest of your family? Was it just you and your father that came
to America?"

Dr. Neruda: "I was an only child. My mother died shortly after I was born. I was only four years
old when we came to the States. I really don't have strong memories of my home in Sorata."

Sarah: "Where's Sorata?"

Dr. Neruda: "North of La Paz, on the east end of Lake Titicaca."

Sarah: "Maybe I've watched too many episodes of the x-Files, but it seems a little hard to
believe that your father could negotiate a job and U.S. citizenship with the SPL. Can you explain
how he did that?" Dr. Neruda: "He asked. It wasn't such a hard thing. Here's a man that speaks
perfect English, knows electronics, and has some political clout. More importantly, he led the SPL
to a very important discovery, worth billions of dollars in research and development. And, my
father was smart enough to photograph the craft and secure electronic components that
pertained to navigation. He had these carefully secured with instructions for their distribution
should anything befall him or me."

Sarah: "Don't take this the wrong way, but didn't you say that only young geniuses were hired
into the ACIO? I assume your father didn't qualify."

Dr. Neruda: "No, he wasn't a genius. But he was smart enough to add value to some of the
reverse-engineering experiments that were ongoing within the ACIO -- especially those that
pertained to semiconductors."

Sarah: "And all of this was happening in the mid-fifties?"

Dr. Neruda: "Yes."

Sarah: "Was Fifteen there at the time?"

Dr. Neruda: "No. He joined the ACIO in the spring of 1958."

Sarah: "So he knew your father?"

Dr. Neruda: "My father, believe it or not, became a high-level director of the ACIO toward the
latter part of his tenure, thanks largely to Fifteen, who took an immediate liking to my father.
Remember Fifteen is Spanish. My father knew Fifteen as well as anyone, and had the utmost
respect for him."

Sarah: "Was your father part of the Labyrinth Group?"

Dr. Neruda: "Yes."

Sarah: "When did you find out about the Labyrinth Group and its mission?"

Dr. Neruda: "Fifteen introduced me to it in a meeting I'll never forget."

Sarah: "What time was this?"

Dr. Neruda: "September 18, 1989."

Sarah: "What happened?"

Dr. Neruda: "Fifteen showed me a suite of technologies that had been part of a TTP (Technology
Transfer Program) with the Corteum. He explained it activated parts of the brain that fused the
unconscious data stream with the conscious. It enabled a much more potent flow of data to be
captured by the conscious mind."

Sarah: "Can you explain how it works?"

Dr. Neruda: "I'll do my best, but it's a technical explanation. I don't know any other way to do
it." Sarah: "Try. I'll signal when I'm lost."

Dr. Neruda: "There's a part of the brain known as thalamocortical system. The Corteum
technology activated this specific section of the brain, inducing a small functional cluster within
this system to expand the higher-order consciousness. These are the neural coordinates of
consciousness, pertaining to higher-order reasoning, which is very useful to scientific inquiry,
mathematics, and general problem solving.

"Yes?"

Sarah: "I'm not totally lost. But what's the role of this technology to the Labyrinth Group?"

Dr. Neruda: "When Fifteen first became acquainted with the Corteum TTP he was the first to use
this technology on his own brain . . . "

Sarah: "Yes, I remember now. He got the vision of BST shortly afterwards. Right?"

Dr. Neruda: "Correct."

Sarah: "And this was why he established the Labyrinth Group, to pursue the development of
BST. Right?"

Dr. Neruda: "Yes."

Sarah: "So, everyone who was hand-picked by Fifteen got to use this Corteum technology and
everyone got smarter as a result. And no one outside the Labyrinth Group suspected that the
Labyrinth Group existed?" Dr. Neruda: "No one to my knowledge."

Sarah: "Okay, back to your story with Fifteen. What happened?"

Dr. Neruda: "Everyone who knew anything about Fifteen knew he was intensely interested in
time travel, but I had no idea as to the degree of his intensity until that day. He explained the
physics behind his BST plan and how the Corteum played a vital role in its development. He
wanted to reassign me to a new project that was related to BST development, and when he
explained the nature of the project, I shook my head in disbelief that he felt I could do the job."
Sarah: "What was it?"

Dr. Neruda: "It was a project that involved designing and developing an advanced neuronal
selection technology for the human brain; a subject that I knew very little about. I raised this
objection, but Fifteen explained that no one else did either, so it was just as well that I
undertook the research. And then he casually explained the Corteum technology for brain
enhancement. This was when he told me how all personnel with a security clearance of twelve
where invited to undergo the process."

Sarah: "I assume everyone accepted the invitation."

Dr. Neruda: "It's a safe assumption, although there are some drawbacks to the technology."

Sarah: "Like?"

Dr. Neruda: "The information capacity of the conscious mind is very limited. When you intensify
the connection between the conscious and unconscious, the conscious mind rejects the data
stream's breadth of information and tends to become observational of the alternative states of
consciousness. In other words, the brain enhancement process triggers a rapid and fluid shifting
between states of consciousness, not unlike a slide show in fast motion with each slide
representing a different state of consciousness."

Sarah: "I think I follow you, but isn't it worth it if you can control this side-effect?"

Dr. Neruda: "I thought so, as did everyone else. There were some that were more effected by
this than others, and typically it only lasted for a few weeks until the higher mind began to
integrate this into its dynamic core."

Sarah: "Okay, enough about the brain, I'd like to return to the topic of the Labyrinth Group. You
mentioned in the first interview that this is the most secret of all the organizations on the planet,
even though it's one of the most influential. How does it operate in secrecy and yet exert its
influence?"

Dr. Neruda: "The Labyrinth Group is a subset of the ACIO that's absolutely secret. Its main
purpose was to create a staging organization for the pure-state technologies that were part of
the TTPs that Fifteen negotiated with the Zetas and Corteum. Fifteen didn't want these
technologies within the ACIO where they were within striking distance of the SPL and potentially
the NSA. He wanted to be able to review, analyze, and synthesize these new technologies before
he figured out how to dilute them into less powerful technologies that could be exported to the
SPL or the private syndicates we worked with.

"We used the best security technologies in existence. By that, I mean that we could secure our
technologies from any hostile force. This enabled the Labyrinth Group personnel to focus on
applications of these pure state technologies for the advancement of our BST agenda.

"Our influence is not understood by anyone because we've managed to release these diluted
technologies into behind-the-scenes technologies that are used by our military, the NSA, DARPA,
and private syndicates of our own choosing.

Sarah: "I thought you said you even work with private industry?"

Dr. Neruda: "The Labyrinth Group doesn't work directly with the private sector. But some of our
technologies filter into the private sector."

Sarah: "Like the transistor?"

Dr. Neruda: "No, actually the field effect transistor was more the development of the SPL."

Sarah: "Then give me an example of something more recent that involved the Labyrinth Group
and the private sector. Something I might be aware of."

Dr. Neruda: "I can't think of anything that would be known to you at this time. Our technologies
don't appear on the cover of Newsweek or Time."

Sarah: "I just want to get some information that I can validate later. The transistor story, while
interesting, doesn't give me anything I can follow-up on. I doubt Shockley's still alive. Is he?"

Dr. Neruda: "First of all, if he were alive, he'd never divulge the influence of the SPL in his
research. Secondly, he died about eight years ago."

Sarah: "So what can you share with me that corroborates -- even to a tiny degree -- that the
Labyrinth Group might exist?"

Dr. Neruda: "Nothing. There's nothing you could do to trace things back to the Labyrinth Group.
I can't stress it enough. Our ways of filtering technologies into the private sector are extremely
subtle."

Sarah: "Okay, then. Just give me an example."

Dr. Neruda: "The Labyrinth Group developed a computer system, which we call ZEMI. Part of the
unique characteristics of ZEMI is that its information structure is based on a new form of
mathematics for information storage, recombinant encryption, and data compression. It was a
mathematics that provided quantum improvements in each of these areas. And we shared it with
scientists involved in the design of the MiG-29."

Sarah: "Russia? Are you saying the Labyrinth Group works with the Russian government?"

Dr. Neruda: "No, we never worked with governments directly. In this case, we worked with the
Phazotron Research and Production Company in Moscow. We supplied them with an assortment
of algorithms, which they in turn adapted for use within their information and fire control radar
systems aboard the MiG-29. These same algorithms were discovered by American interests and
are now being adapted for use in broadband delivery systems for the global market."

Sarah: "Who's the American interest? Can you give me names?"

Dr. Neruda: "It's not a well-known company, but they go under the name of Omnigon, based in
San Diego."

Sarah: "And Omnigon has this technology, which was originally developed by the Labyrinth
Group for computer storage, and now they're using it to build broadband delivery systems? In
layperson's terms, can you tell me what these networks will do?"

Dr. Neruda: "Assuming they use this technology appropriately, it'll enable Omnigon to embed a
significant amount of functionality in the switches of the ATM network and not rely on server-
side solutions, which will increase the speed and custom functionality of a network."

Sarah: "By my definition, that wasn't in layperson terms. But it doesn't matter.

"Did the Labyrinth Group create this technology or reverse-engineer it from ET sources?"
Dr. Neruda: "A little of both, actually. They were created within the Labyrinth Group, but some
of the initial thinking came from the Zetas, which was reverse-engineered from one of their
spacecraft."

Sarah: "How did the organization in Russia get this technology from the Labyrinth Group?"

Dr. Neruda: "Fifteen knew one of the senior scientists at Phazotron and presented him with the
idea. It was a friendly gesture, which he believed would later be useful in recruiting this
scientist. This method of sharing creates loyalty and it can be done in such a skillful way that the
recipient of the idea can believe it was their idea and not simply given to them."

Sarah: "But you must track these technologies or how else would you know it ended up in
Omnigon's hands?"

Dr. Neruda: "We have operatives from the intelligence community who feed us information.
They're essentially moles that live within the major government research labs and the military
industrial complex. In this case, one of our operatives at General Dynamics brought this to our
attention. We even use our Remote Viewing technology to track some of our more advanced
technologies that we've placed within major syndicates."

Sarah: "Maybe we should leave off there. I know you'd prefer to keep these sessions brief,
although I'm very tempted to plunge into this topic of syndicates."

"Is there anything you'd like to add before we call it a night?"

Dr. Neruda: "No, not really. I think we covered a lot of information tonight about my personal
philosophy, and for what it's worth, I'd like to remind you that it was my philosophy. I'm not
trying to press it on anyone. And I'm certainly not trying to preach a particular message or
lifestyle. I would hope that in our next session, with your help, we could concentrate on the
WingMakers and perhaps minimize my personal views on cosmology and the like."

Sarah: "I'll try, but I can't make any promises. I had a complete list of questions to ask you
tonight about the WingMakers, but somewhere along the way I thought it would be interesting
to better understand how you think. I'll try my best tomorrow night to keep on the subject of the
WingMakers. Do you have any suggestions?"

Dr. Neruda: "I think the artifacts are extremely interesting, so I'd recommend that we focus on
that topic."

Sarah: "I'll do my best. Thank you."

Dr. Neruda: "You're very welcome, Sarah. Thank you as well.

End of session three.

Entrevistas De Neruda

Entrevista 4

Por Sarah

Qué sigue es una sesión que registré del Dr. Neruda de diciembre el 31 de 1997. Él dio el
permiso para que registre sus respuestas a mis preguntas. Ésta es la transcripción de esa
sesión. Éste era una de cinco veces que podía grabar nuestras conversaciones. He preservado
estas transcripciones exacto como ocurrieron. No se realizó el ningún corregir, y he intentado mi
mejor para incluir las palabras exactas, expresando, y gramática usada por el Dr. Neruda.

(se recomienda que usted lee las tres entrevistas anteriores antes de leer éste.)

Sarah: Según lo prometido, una de las cosas que deseo enfocarme encendido en esta entrevista
es el sitio antiguo de la flecha. De lo que usted dijo el otro día, el sitio antiguo de la flecha
esencialmente fue pelado de sus artefactos. Donde ahora están y qué usted piensan el ACIO se
prepone hacer con ellos?"

El Dr. Neruda: "en fecha la época de mi defección, de la antecámara del sitio y de 23

secundario-compartimientos fueron medidos cuidadosamente, analizado, y cada uno de los
artefactos fue catalogado. Todos los artefactos que se podrían tomar de los 23 compartimientos
fueron movidos al laboratorio de ACIO para la prueba rigurosa. La esperanza inicial era que
contuvieron las tecnologías accesibles que podrían aceleran de alguna manera el horario del
despliegue para el BST. Sin embargo, pienso que la expectativa cambió el siguiente del
descubrimiento del 24to compartimiento."

Sarah: "usted nunca realmente habló en cualquier detalle sobre los compartimientos antes. Cuál
era tan especial sobre el 24to compartimiento?"

El Dr. Neruda: "cuál era interesante sobre los compartimientos -- aparte de los artefactos que él
contuvo -- era que el sitio era tan estéril como un cuarto de funcionamiento, a menos que el
23ro compartimiento. Recuerde que estos compartimientos resaltaron hacia fuera de un pasillo
central que torció en espiral para arriba a través de roca sólida. De la tapa del 23ro
compartimiento a la antecámara abajo eran aproximadamente 50 metros. Sabíamos que había
24 capítulos o segmentos en el disco óptico, pero asumimos que la antecámara -- aunque no
tenía ninguna artefactos -- era incluida. Así asumimos falso que los 24 compartimientos fueron
considerados."

Sarah: "no eran?"

El Dr. Neruda: "no. Había otro compartimiento que había sido ocultado."

Sarah: "cómo?"

Dr, Neruda: "el 23ro compartimiento tenía una cantidad significativa de ruina de la roca en su
piso. Tenía todas las marcas de ser inacabado, como si los constructores tuvieran que irse
repentinamente o funcionaran simplemente de paciencia antes de que terminaran su misión.
Invertimos una cantidad razonable de tiempo y de análisis que estudiaban las paredes y la ruina
del 23ro compartimiento, esperando discernir los métodos de construcción, pero nunca
sospechamos que había un callejón ocultado debajo de la ruina en el piso del compartimiento."

Sarah: "así pues, había una puerta de la trampa?"

El Dr. Neruda: "poco antes mi defección, una puerta de la trampa fue descubierta por los
investigadores de algún ACIO que conducían una forma de fotografía de radiografía del interior
del sitio."

Sarah: "para qué propósito?"

El Dr. Neruda: "intentaban determinarse si había algunas deficiencias estructurales en el sitio

que podría causar las inestabilidades para el sitio en el largo plazo. en efecto, habíamos roto el
sello en este sitio y habíamos introducido una cantidad significativa de tensión a la estructura.
Quince, siendo la persona cuidadosa él es, deseó ser seguro que no habíamos comprometido
inadvertidamente la integridad estructural del sitio. Él se sentía seguro que la preservación del
sitio era potencialmente crítica."

Sarah: "aceptable, así que estas radiografías demostró una puerta de la trampa a otro
compartimiento. ¿Cómo fue pasado por alto antes? Era ocultado totalmente?"

El Dr. Neruda: "no realmente. Nos habían dicho para dejar todos los compartimientos como los
habíamos encontrado -- con excepción de quitar los artefactos y catalogar todo que
encontramos. Qué no realizamos era que las seis pulgadas de la roca saltan en el piso del 23ro
compartimiento encubrieron un callejón vertical."

Sarah: "iba llanura recta?"

El Dr. Neruda: "corrija. Cayó casi 50 metros. .

Sarah: "solamente pensé que la antecámara era 50 metros por debajo del 23ro
compartimiento."

El Dr. Neruda: "está, pero no no directamente debajo. El 24to compartimiento es separado

solamente por cuatro metros de la pared más cercana de la antecámara."

Sarah: "había un callejón entre los dos, o era la única entrada del 23ro compartimiento?"

El Dr. Neruda: "la única entrada era del 23ro compartimiento, a el cual hizo cercano-imposible
conseguir."

Sarah: "porqué?"

El Dr. Neruda: "porque el callejón era demasiado pequeño cortado para un cuerpo del adulto, y
era una distancia a atravesarse."

Sarah: "con toda su tecnología, no habría podido usted hacerla más ancha?"

El Dr. Neruda: "era un alternativa, pero quince no se sentían que fue autorizado."

Sarah: ¿"por qué no? Se parece como un descubrimiento importante bonito -- quizá la llave al
sitio entero."

El Dr. Neruda: "El ACIO tenía tecnologías que permitieron que cayéramos cámaras fotográficas
abajo del callejón y de la fotografía el compartimiento entero remotamente."

Sarah: "qué usted vio?"

El Dr. Neruda: "era el más grande de los 24 compartimientos -- en todas las dimensiones. Su
pintura de la pared era la más grande, y como el 23ro compartimiento, fue orientada
horizontalmente en vez de verticalmente. Había un artefacto de la tecnología que quitamos del
compartimiento que, por lo que sé, es, como todos los otros, inaccesible a las puntas de prueba
de ACIO."

Sarah: "con excepción del compartimiento que era más grande en escala, había cualquier otra
diferencia?"

El Dr. Neruda: "era muy similar al 23ro compartimiento en el sentido que era también inacabada
en aspecto, pero era cerca de tres veces tan grandes en volumen. Había series de glyphs
incididos en la pared enfrente de la pintura que fueron organizados en siete grupos de cinco
caracteres."

Sarah: "sé que usted me demostró las fotografías de las pinturas del compartimiento, yo vio
éste?"

El Dr. Neruda: "no."

Sarah: "cuál está parecer?"

El Dr. Neruda: "es el más abstracto y complejo de la colección, y por lo tanto, describir
difícilmente. Como todas las pinturas del compartimiento, invertimos esfuerzo y hora
considerables de descifrar los símbolos y de analizar el contenido de la pintura, pero teníamos
solamente especulación en cuanto a su propósito verdadero."

Sarah: "cualquier hipótesis encendido porqué el 24to compartimiento fue ocultado?"

El Dr. Neruda: "recuerde que el sitio fue interpretado por la mayoría dentro del grupo del
laberinto como libremente siendo basado en nuestro genome humano. . . "

Sarah: "debido a la forma de la hélice?"

El Dr. Neruda: "ése y el hecho allí eran 23 compartimientos -- el número exacto de cromosomas
-- o pares de cromosomas en una célula humana normal. Estos factores, junto con algo del
detalle contenido dentro de las pinturas del compartimiento y del texto filosófico desciframos,
conducido nos para concluir que el sitio fue diseñado para contar una historia sobre el genome
humano."

Sarah: "aceptable, pero porqué era el 24to compartimiento ocultado y cómo hace que se
relaciona con el genome humano?"

El Dr. Neruda: "no sé con certeza, sino recuerdo que el 23ro cromosoma determina el sexo del
individuo. La pintura de la pared del 23ro compartimiento es la única pintura que demuestra --
no obstante abstractly -- los órganos genitales de un hombre y de una mujer. Asumimos que
esto era deliberado. El hecho de que el 23ro compartimiento era inacabado sugerido que el 23ro
cromosoma era también de alguna manera inacabado, implicando que puede haber una cierta
otra función del gene del sexo que no se ha terminado hasta ahora."

Sarah: ¿"pero no es el genome entero inacabado? Recuerdo leer que el 95% del genome es
inusitado. No es eso verdad?"

El Dr. Neruda: "es verdad que las instrucciones contenidas dentro de los genes son sobre todo
inusitadas, pero los genes ellos mismos, hasta su sistema de instrucción, no son incompletos en
cuanto sabemos. Hay, por supuesto, las mutaciones genéticas que ocurren a partir de tiempo-a-
tiempo, pero éstas no son otra vez estados del estado incompleto tanto como adaptación
espontánea al interfusion genético."

Sarah: ¿"entonces cuál es el caso con el 24to compartimiento? Hay los casos cuando alguna
gente tiene 24 cromosomas?"

El Dr. Neruda: "primero, es 23 pares de cromosomas, y sí, hay la gente que tiene un
cromosoma adicional, pero no es generalmente deseable, y es a menudo mortal. En nuestra
investigación, nunca hemos visto 24 pares de cromosomas en un ser humano sano, normal."
Sarah: ¿"pero no es posible que no está sobre pares de cromosomas? No hay ninguna pares de
compartimientos, ellos está hablando tan quizá de 24 períodos de los cromosomas."

El Dr. Neruda: "esta posibilidad fue explorada ciertamente."

Sarah: "y. . .

El Dr. Neruda: "no había evidencia confiable, así que la teoría fue descontada."

Sarah: ¿"tan nada humano tiene 24 cromosomas o 24 pares de cromosomas? Porqué la

construcción de WingMakers algo tan obviamente genético en su forma y hacer un error como
esto?"

El Dr. Neruda: "nadie dentro del grupo del laberinto creído allí era un error. Los chimpancés, los
orangutans, y los gorilas poseen 24 pares de cromosomas."

Sarah: "monos?"

El Dr. Neruda: "cualquier biólogo molecular le dirá que nuestro genome sea un fósforo del 98%
del chimpancé."

Sarah: "es usted que sugiere que el WingMakers produjo este sitio en homenaje al chimp?"

El Dr. Neruda: "no. Estoy relacionando simplemente la verdad. Hasta que 1955 científicos
creyeron que los seres humanos tenían 24 pares de cromosomas apenas como el chimpancé o el
gorila, pero entonces lo fue descubierto que en alguna parte en tiempo, los seres humanos
fundieron dos cromosomas en uno. . . "

Sarah: "y cómo hace este todo se relaciona con el descubrimiento del 24to compartimiento?"

El Dr. Neruda: "no probablemente. El genome humano es como un sistema de enciclopedias con
23 volúmenes. Es absolutamente posible que el 24to compartimiento, en este caso, es el
equivalente del índice o del volumen de la navegación."

Sarah: "solamente no es visible como los otros 23 cromosomas?"

El Dr. Neruda: "pensamos que había la significación en el hecho de que el 24to compartimiento
fue ocultado, y conectado solamente por un estrecho, paso vertical al 23ro. Es posible, en teoría,
que el 24to cromosoma no es un depósito molecular-basado del gene. Puede haber una
mutación genética que se está presagiando en nuestro futuro, o el 24to compartimiento es una
metáfora para una nueva funcionalidad de la especie humana que es -- hasta ahora -- inactiva o
no-cifrada."

Sarah: "así pues, qué hace quince lo piensan todos los medios?"

El Dr. Neruda: "ZEMI había hecho una búsqueda exhaustiva de las variables, y creo que quince
más o menos habían aceptado su alternativa más probable, como que el 23ro cromosoma era
destinado al mutate y creo o catalizo la creación de un 24to cromosoma que actuaría un sistema
de navegación o índice para los genetistas futuros."

Sarah: "And ZEMI deduced all of this from a single painting?"

Dr. Neruda: "ZEMI had 62 different analyses of the 24th chamber painting, and each of them
had probabilities of over 40%. This is unheard of unless an object is coded in sufficient
complexity, and this coding is consistently applied to produce a web effect of possibilities. This
painting, along with the glyphs on the opposite wall, achieved that end. The ACIO calls this
phenomenon, Complexity Interlocks, with factors on a scale of zero to one hundred. If an object
or event has a CI of 15, it's considered a coded object. The artifacts of the 24th chamber had
the highest CI of all the chambers: 94.6. To put it into perspective, the next highest chamber,
chamber six, had a CI of 56.3"

Sarah: "Why is that important?"

Dr. Neruda: "Because Fifteen looked at the 24th chamber as the key to understanding the
Ancient Arrow site. ZEMI's analysis was very specific, much more so than I'm able to relate in
this conversation."

Sarah: "Can you give me an example of how ZEMI determines this CI index?"

Dr. Neruda: "The painting or object is scanned and reduced to its digital components. Color,
scale, position, shape, and repetition are all established and analyzed. For example, one of the
abstract figures in the 24th chamber painting appears to be floating upside down, and happens
to have 23 stars within its mid-section. ZEMI would associate significance to this, and this would
become a thread of the web effect. ZEMI would continue to create these threads, looking for a
consistent pattern. If a pattern emerges with sufficient mathematical coherence and context, it
deduces that the object is designed for a purpose."

Sarah: "In other words, a higher CI indicates a higher purpose?"

Dr. Neruda: "Yes, but especially if the distinction is significant as in the case of the 24th
chamber."

Sarah: "If all these pieces are fit together, the picture that emerges is that the Ancient Arrow
site was created as a metaphor of the human genome, and that it's predicting a mutation that
will produce a 24th chromosome, which leads us right back to our hairy cousins. Wouldn't this be
devolution?"

Dr. Neruda: "No."

Sarah: "Why not?"

Dr. Neruda: "The molecular environment of the 23rd chromosome is the most antagonistic and
dynamic of all the human chromosomes. This makes it a cauldron for potential mutation.
Molecular and evolutionary biologists are only now beginning to recognize this inherent reality of
the 23rd chromosome.

"ZEMI's analysis was that the 24th chamber painting was concerned not with our sexual identity,
as in the case of the 23rd chromosome, but our spiritual identity."

Sarah: "How so?"

Dr. Neruda: "It would take me at least twenty minutes to explain the rationale. Do you want me
to proceed?"

Sarah: "Can you give me a summary?"

Dr. Neruda: "I'll try.

"There are several connections between the 23rd and 24th chambers; the most notable being
that the 24th chamber is only accessible from the 23rd chamber. This suggests that the 24th
exists as a result of the behaviors and conditions of the 23rd. In a sense, the tunnel connecting
the two chambers is a birth canal, and the 24th chamber is the baby.

"Since the 23rd is the sex chromosome, that is, it determines the sexual and physical identity of
the individual, its purpose is largely binary. It's quite logical to conclude that if it were to give
birth to a new chromosome, it may have something to do with our spiritual identity, particularly
in light of all the other information we have about the Central Race."

Sarah: "I get the feeling that you believe this."

Dr. Neruda: "I think it's a viable hypothesis, but the exact purpose of the Ancient Arrow site is
yet to be determined with high confidence."

Sarah: “Are there any other sites similar to the Ancient Arrow site that the ACIO got involved
in?”

Dr. Neruda: “No, nothing of this magnitude, but the ACIO involves itself in anything anomalous
that may have ET influence.”

Sarah: “Can you give me an example?”

Dr. Neruda: “There was an underground installation of engraved stones found in Peru in the
mid-1960s. Some of the circumstances regarding this site are similar.”

Sarah: “How so?”

Dr. Neruda: “It was an underground installation of considerable complexity and it contained tens
of thousands of stones that had been intricately engraved with pictographs that depicted a vast
historical record of earth and a pre-historical culture, all carved on a stone known as andesite.

Sarah: “And was this site also kept off the record?”

Dr. Neruda: “No, quite the contrary, but it was targeted with heavy disinformation and
ultimately discredited by academic institutions that no doubt felt threatened by the revelation.”

Sarah: “I still don’t see how a government organization like the ACIO can operate behind the
scenes and our own elected officials be completely unaware of both its existence and agenda.”

Dr. Neruda: “Not all of your elected officials are unaware of the ACIO, but you’re right about one
thing: they do not know its true objectives.”

Sarah: “So who knows and who doesn’t?”

Dr. Neruda: “It’s not such a simple thing to provide you with a list of names. Those who know,
and are elected officials, form a very short list—”

Sarah: “How short?”

Dr. Neruda: “I would prefer not to say at this time, only that it is less than ten in number.

“The world body politic is not divided into republicans and democrats or liberal and conservative
parties. They are divided into a stratification of knowledge and vital intelligence. The financial
oligarchy of the secret network I mentioned last week possesses superior knowledge, some of
which it shares with the military force and some of which it shares with the Isolationist forces.

These three forces are the principal way the world is organizing itself, and the presumed alpha
organization is the Incunabula because they control a dominant share of the world’s money
supply and hard assets.”

Sarah: Okay, stop a moment because I did some research since our interview Saturday, and
learned a little bit about the organization called the Illuminati. Is this the same organization
you’re now referring to as the Incunabula?”

Dr. Neruda: “No. The Illuminati is part of the secret network, but it’s not the alpha organization.
The Illuminati is affiliated with other blueblood organizations, mostly originating from European
roots, but its goals and objectives are not aligned to the Incunabula.”

Sarah: “In what way, because from my reading it seemed like it was the secret network you
were referring to.”

Dr. Neruda: “First, you need to understand that the secret network, as I was referring to, is
loosely assembled and not well aligned because of competing agendas. Nonetheless, there is a
sense of camaraderie between some of the more powerful groups mostly because they share an
elite status in business, academia, or government.

“However, these groups are generally designed to help its members build greater wealth and
influence through the members’ network of business and government contacts. It is somewhat
comparable to a high-powered networking organization.”

Sarah: “Are you sure we’re talking about the same organization?”

Dr. Neruda: “There are many stories about the Illuminati that are based more on legend than
evidence. Too many conspiratorial objectives are credited to them, and they are not organized in
this way. Their leadership is too visible and carefully scrutinized by the media. When you have
this condition, you can, in most instances, dispel the notion that global, conspiratorial objectives
are in the works.”

Sarah: “What about the occult references to the Illuminati? Are they true?”

Dr. Neruda: “The supposed leaders of the Illuminati are not occultists or Satan worshippers as
they are sometimes accused. Again, this is conspiracy theory run amok, usually by those who
seek to define enemies that can embody Lucifer, which in their mind is synonymous with the
occult. The Illuminati, while it exists as an elite organization, is made up of men and women that
do not conform to one belief system. The spiritual beliefs of their members are not used as
criteria to acquire membership. What’s important is a member’s personal network of contacts.”

Sarah: “But don’t they have a tremendous influence on politics?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes, they have influence, as do the Masons, and Skull and Bones, and twenty-
seven other organizations that make up this loose-knit network of the elite, but the people who
control the master plan are not directly affiliated with any one of these thirty organizations.

“The reality is that these organizations really operate in one of three forces that do have
alignment under the controlling hand of the Incunabula.”
Sarah: “So you’re saying that within these three forces the world’s political stage is organized,
and the group with the most money also has the best knowledge and basically controls the other
two groups?”

Dr. Neruda: “The Incunabula doesn’t dictate to the other two forces. It strategically releases
information that lures the two forces in the direction it wants them to go.

“You can look at these three forces as part of an equilateral triangle, with the Incunabula at the
apex, and the Global Military Force at one base and the Isolationist Force at the other. This is
the real structure of global power.”

Sarah: “I’m not clear about the different objectives of these three forces.”

Dr. Neruda: “The Incunabula is concerned with the globalization of monetary channels and vital
supplies like petroleum and natural gas; the Military Force is concerned with spreading and
preserving democratization throughout the globe, and in so doing, protecting the self-interests
of the dominant superpowers of America and Western Europe; and the Isolationist Force is
focused on industry and wealth building for its citizens at the state level.”

Sarah: “But how does the Incunabula lure these other two forces to do its bidding? Can you give
me an example?”

Dr. Neruda: “Why do you think Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait?”

Sarah: “To grab its oil wells and make a lot of money.”

Dr. Neruda: “On the surface that is close to the truth. Following the Iran-Iraq War, Saddam had
depleted a good deal of his country’s wealth, and to be sure, he was interested in the wealth
production of Kuwait, but he also knew that his military was not designed to invade and annex
countries, and he was aware that the superpowers would protect their interests in Kuwait.

“Saddam had a real dilemma, he had upwards of a million soldiers that were without jobs after
the Iran-Iraq War and there was no place within Iraq’s broader economy to absorb these men.
The Military Force was aware of Saddam’s dilemma, and, through a consistent disinformation
campaign by the Military Force, Saddam was led to believe that he would be allowed to invade
Kuwait without superpower retaliation.

“There are high level operatives within the Military Force that are also the eyes and ears of the
Incunabula. It was well understood that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction that it had
developed during the course of its war with Iran. The Military Force saw this as a destabilizing
element of its long-term policy to bring democracy – American-style – to the oil-producing
region.

“The Incunabula does not have control of the Middle East oil. It is the only vital asset in which
they do not exercise prime authority. Saddam Hussein was seduced by disinformation to attack
Kuwait so that the Military Force could – with the whole world looking on – dismantle Iraq’s
defenses. This was a staged event of global impact exercised by the Incunabula and carried out
by the Military Force completely unaware that they were being lured into this conflict in the
same way as Iraq.”

Sarah: “And all because some elite trillionaires want to control the world’s oil supply?”

Dr. Neruda: “It’s much more complex than that, though that is a part of the equation. I’m not
sure how much you want me to go into it.”
Sarah: “It’s hard to stop after you drop this revelation on me. Where is this all headed… I mean
what is the end-goal of the Incunabula?”

Dr. Neruda: “Do you mean in the context of the Middle East?”

Sarah: “Yes.”

Dr. Neruda: “They want to control crude oil production. They want to exercise authority over this
critical asset that is so fundamental to shaping world economies. They have controls over
refining and the distribution of end products, but they lack control over the production,
particularly in the Middle East. This is the fundamental goal, but it’s surrounded by the tributary
objectives of bringing a Western culture to the region and slowly, but surely, homogenizing the
world’s culture. They want this global culture as a framework in which to create global
regulation.”

Sarah: “And how long will this take… assuming they’re successful?”

Dr. Neruda: “From the perspective of the ACIO, it has a probability of occurrence no more than
35% within the next 10 years and jumps to a 60% probability in 20 years. Thereafter, it
becomes more probable with each passing decade, until it reaches near-certainty by the year
2060.”

Sarah: “And when you say ‘global regulation’, what do you mean?”

Dr. Neruda: “The ability to regulate the vital resources of the planet as a singular, global political
body.”

Sarah: “What makes this such a critical goal of the Incunabula?”

Dr. Neruda: “The diminishing oil and natural gas supplies. These are non-renewable energy
sources, and what required a billion years to create 3.2 trillion barrels of useable oil has taken
110 years to reduce to 1.8 trillion barrels. The planet’s oil supply is its economic lifeblood. As
this diminishes, so does the economic system in which the world’s people live. As the economic
conditions erode, instability arises, and if left unchecked, chaos ensues.”

Sarah: “Again you’re saying that this is all about oil?”

Dr. Neruda: “Try to understand that to me it’s astounding that this isn’t obvious. Anyone who
knows the condition of the world’s oil supply can perform simple extrapolations and conclude
that the world is approximately fifty years away from oil depletion, and that assumes you use
the more optimistic analyses. On the pessimistic side, it could be as little as twenty-five years.”

Sarah: “How can that be? I don’t recall anything being said about this in the media. I would
think this would be a huge story if it were that obvious and that ominous.”

Dr. Neruda: “There are many versions of this story that circulate in the media, but they never
quite capture the attention of the mass media and the masses because they deal with the
distant future – a topic not held in high regard by citizens in love with their Western lifestyles.
Nevertheless, this future is precisely where the Incunabula place their focus because this is what
determines the tactics of the present day.

“The depletion of the world’s oil supply, coupled to the growth in human population, is the
dominant influence that is shaping the policies of the Incunabula and its timetable.”
Sarah: “So the agenda of the Incunabula is to control the diminishing oil supply in order to do
what?”

Dr. Neruda: “At the highest levels of the Incunabula, the planning horizons are typically twenty
to one hundred years, depending on the issue. They are well aware that as the oil supplies
diminish, oil will become increasingly more difficult to extract from the planet’s reservoirs, and
consequently, require at minimum, a thirty percent delta in refining costs. This will have a
profound effect on price, which can have the effect of producing a persistent recession in the
world’s economy.”

“The planners of the Incunabula believe that by consolidating control of the oil supply and its
distribution it is the best way to impose rationing at a global level without setting off
Armageddon.”

Sarah: “It’s really that serious?”

Dr. Neruda: “I don’t mean to sound like an alarmist, but this is the fundamental problem that
the world must address in the 21st century. The brightest minds of our planet are well aware of
this and have known this for twenty years or more.”

Sarah: “Why then aren’t the leaders of the world, and the brightest minds, working on
alternative energy sources?”

Dr. Neruda: “In some instances they are. There’re several alternative energy sources that are
under consideration – some are not even released to the public at this time because they stem
from technologies that also carry great potential as weapons.

“But the bigger issue is how to change the energy system of our modern-day civilization from
petroleum to a new energy source, or perhaps to change the manner in which we live – in other
words, our oil dependent lifestyle.”

Sarah: “Why is that such a big deal? I would think that as the world wakes up to the reality of
dwindling oil supplies it would be very receptive to a new energy source.”

Dr. Neruda: “Have you ever heard the quote by Machiavelli about the difficulty of changing a
system?”

Sarah: “I don’t think so.”

Dr. Neruda: “He wrote, ‘There is nothing more difficult to plan, more doubtful of success, nor
more dangerous to manage than the creation of a new system. For the initiator has the enmity
of all who would profit by the preservation of the old system and merely lukewarm defenders in
those who would gain by the new one’.”

Sarah: “Okay, so this requires a lot of preparation and planning, and probably persuasion. But
what choices do we have?”

Dr. Neruda: “None. This is the realism of the next fifty years.”

Sarah: “I presume the Incunabula plan to orchestrate this change of systems. Am I right on
that?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes. As I said earlier, they believe the global regulation of energy resources and
the ability to manage population growth are the convergent issues of our time that – if managed
properly – can avert Armageddon.”
Sarah: “You’ve said that word twice tonight – Armageddon. What do you mean by that? Are you
talking about World War III?”

Dr. Neruda: “Armageddon is defined by the ACIO as the chaos of humanity. It is the time when
humanity plunges into chaos and the interfaces of global commerce, communication, and
diplomacy are destroyed in favor of national self-preservation. If this were to happen, weapons
of unusual power could be used to destroy thirty percent or more of the human population. This
is the definition that we don’t like to talk about, but it’s well known within the ACIO as a
possibility in the 21st century.”

Sarah: “So I assume you have your probability forecasts for this as well. Right?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes.”

Sarah: “And what are they, dare I ask?”

Dr. Neruda: “I’d prefer not to say. They aren’t really relevant anyway because they fluctuate
based on world events.”

Sarah: “But this is what the Incunabula’s planners are trying to steer clear of?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes. This consumes their agenda more than any other issue.”

Sarah: “What other organizations are consumed by this agenda?”

Dr. Neruda: “There are none.”

Sarah: “What?”

Dr. Neruda: “This agenda is unique to the Incunabula because they’re the only organization that
is focused squarely on averting this particular crisis condition based on the convergence criteria I
stated earlier.”

Sarah: “You mean they’re the only organization that’s worried about Armageddon as it relates to
dwindling oil supplies and population increases?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes.”

Sarah: “But you’re not telling me that other organizations aren’t worried about World War III or
Armageddon, how ever you define it. Right?”

Dr. Neruda: “Every nation’s leadership is concerned about these issues, but it’s by no means the
focus of their agenda. It is a small, compartmentalized component of their agenda.

“This is precisely why Fifteen is involved with the Incunabula’s planners, the threats to the
human race are both real and persistent, and with each passing decade the conditions are only
growing more fertile for fragmentation and chaos – the very kind you would observe in tribal
warfare. There is no fundamental difference.”

Sarah: “And the leaders of the Military Force know about this objective?”

Dr. Neruda: “No. They have their own agenda, which is related, but quite different as well. They
don’t aspire to regulate oil production; they intend to defend its availability and influence its
price as a result. They’re not concerned with globalization as it relates to economic or cultural
platforms, but rather, they’re concerned with exporting democracy in order to ensure
stabilization in the region, and eradicate instability in the form of terrorists and dictators alike.”

Sarah: “But that seems at odds with everything I’ve heard about the military.”

Dr. Neruda: “In what way?”

Sarah: “You make it sound as though the Military Force is trying to bring stability or peace, when
everything I’ve ever read implies that the military feeds off of conflict and instability. If the world
is at peace, then the military becomes a simple police force, its power is reduced and its budgets
are slashed.”

Dr. Neruda: “I understand your question. However, the Military Force is not the same thing as
the military. While it is very pro-military, it operates in a longer planning horizon than military
personnel. The Military Force is made up of high-level politicians, business people, intelligence
members, academics, think tanks, and so on. Its members are from the United Kingdom,
America, Germany, Canada, Australia, Israel, and many other countries. Its cohesion, as a
group, is not so much a function of formal structure and meetings, but rather it’s by publishing
classified papers that are shared among its elite members. These papers define the platform,
goals, long-term objectives, and essentially map out the strategy and tactics by which the
Military Force intends to execute its plan.

“The Military Force is working on hybrid defensive and offensive weapons that relate to space,
bio-weapons, the Internet, and other environments that are as yet not viewed as battlefield
arenas. They would contend that R & D budgets should be increased in order to develop these
new weapons in order to secure the rights of free people to live without fear of preemptive
attack. They intend to remove this reality from the face of the earth and at the same time,
propagate democracy.”

Sarah: “But isn’t this a noble goal?”

Dr. Neruda: “Their goals are not necessarily misguided, but their methods to achieve these goals
are. This is all about projecting power, and, as a consequence, dictating the prevailing political
platform by which the world achieves peace. It is enforced peace. It is peace through power and
manipulation.”

Sarah: “But it’s still peace and it’s still democracy. It’s certainly better than the alternative of
wars and anarchy or dictatorship.”

Dr. Neruda: “There are other means to achieve the same end.”

Sarah: “You said that the budget for military spending would only increase over time if the
Military Force has its way. How would that happen amidst world peace?”

Dr. Neruda: “New threats will be determined that will create this need even though our countries
of the world are at peace.”

Sarah: “Are you talking about ETs again?”

Dr. Neruda: “Among other things. China will likely be the last island of opposition that the wave
of democracy will land upon, but when it does, the Military Force desires to have unique
weapons at its disposal in order to swiftly bring the changes it seeks. Bio-weapons will likely be
the choice—”

Sarah: “How is that possible when the U.S. has banned bio-weapons?”
Dr. Neruda: “Unfortunately the discoveries in the human genome are too compelling for the
Military Force to ignore as it pertains to bio-weapons development. Research is already
underway, and has been for two years, to develop bio-weapons that target certain genomes
indicative of a specific race.”

Sarah: “Like Chinese?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes, but it doesn’t mean the weapon would ever be deployed. It would simply be a
known capability of the Military Force and that alone would make the change of regime
irresistible.”

Sarah: “I have to stop here and make a confession. Part of me wants to cry when I hear this and
bury my head in a pillow, and part of me wants to keep asking more questions. I’m really torn
on this one… I don’t think I want to talk about this anymore. Okay?

Dr. Neruda: “I’m only answering the questions you ask of me as honestly as I can.”

Sarah: “I know, and I’m not complaining about you or your answers really. I just needed to say
what I was feeling.”

Dr. Neruda: “I understand.”

Sarah: “Do you want to take a break and stretch your legs?”

Dr. Neruda: “I’m fine, but if you want one, I’ll be happy to take a stretch.”

Sarah: “No, I’m fine…

“Tell me more about the Isolationist Force. What’s their story in all of this?”

Dr. Neruda: “Again, I don’t want you to think that the Military and Isolationist Forces are formal
groups that have memberships and party platforms. They are informal, tacit coalitions at most,
and they operate through the well-placed leadership of Incunabula operatives. Also, it is
important to remember that they’re all part of the triad of leadership that the Incunabula have
forged over the last fifty-seven years.

“In the case of the Isolationist Force, it’s the least organized of the three forces. It’s designed to
spur economic policies and activities that generate wealth for the elite class throughout the
world. As a force it is concerned with domestic state issues that drive economic growth and
vitality. Its focus is to influence local, state and national governments to facilitate commerce.”

Sarah: “Am I correct in thinking that Republicans are more affiliated with the Isolationist Force?”

Dr. Neruda: “No. These three forces are not affiliated with any party or political organization.
Someone can be aligned with both the Military and Isolationist Force and not have any conflict
doing so. They are not antagonistic. They’re compatible forces. Also, these forces are not
exclusively American. They are global forces – albeit with dominance from American and
European interests, but they’re not party affiliations like democrats and republicans, nor are they
state-sponsored in any way.”

Sarah: “If the oil production is in the hands of the Incunabula, what will happen to the Arab
state regimes that currently hold this power?”
Dr. Neruda: “It depends on the regime. The Incunabula is expert at influence through financial
services and legal maneuvering. They will assert their influence slowly, gradually, and in a
manner that will catch the royal families and cartel by surprise. Their patience is unmatched,
and they operate on multiple levels of influence, which is why they win nearly every time.

“Even at the present time many of the royal families exert influence in domestic affairs, but not
oil production. They reap the rewards of the oil financially, but others within their regimes are
truly operating the production and interacting with the cartel, developing the core relationships
of trust and influence. These are the ones that the Incunabula bring into their fold, and slowly
win over as operatives in their plan. The Military Force, at the appropriate timetable, will
overturn the regimes in conflict with the plan, and those regimes that are friendly, will be
allowed to retain their domestic presence and influence. These are carefully orchestrated
events.”

Sarah: “And once the Incunabula has control over oil production, what then?”

Dr. Neruda: “The dismantling of hard currency. The Incunabula desires to have an electronic
currency because it tracks everything and enables a more thorough analytical insight into the
affairs of the individual.”

Sarah: “So what do they want to do with all this information?”

Dr. Neruda: “They want to observe patterns and manipulate events in order to protect their
dominance as a leadership body, and, as I said earlier, they want to define the new systems and
manage system change. Once this dominance is perceived as reaching a critical mass, the
Incunabula plans to create a global body of governance that brings stability to Earth and a set of
policies that aid humanity at large.”

Sarah: “Again you’re telling me that their goal is to help humanity, but I find it hard to believe.”

Dr. Neruda: “In a way it is the only way they can retain power. If they concentrate wealth and
services too much, they will lose control of the population they seek to govern. Rebellion is
never far away when empty stomachs grumble in unison.”

Sarah: “How will they dismantle our hard currency?”

Dr. Neruda: “There will be a gradual de-valuation of the stock markets worldwide. Americans in
particular have become accustomed to easy money production within the stock markets, as well
as lavish lifestyles. This will not be permitted to continue indefinitely. Recessions will occur in
waves until the value of currency is called into question. This will begin in third world countries
first, and as these become the initial victims of feeble economic policies, the Incunabula will
essentially force these countries to sell their assets at rock bottom prices in return for helping
them out of economic crisis.

“In the best of times, the world economy is a fragile patchwork of economic systems that run at
different rates without a smooth interface or a macro system in which to operate. In the worst of
times, it is a house of cards vulnerable to the faintest of winds. Hard currency and the monetary
system that supports it will become a scapegoat of the economic slowdown, and electronic
currency will increasingly become the solution to the general malaise of the global economy.”

Sarah: “I’m not an economist so I don’t even know what questions to ask, but it leaves me with
a queasy feeling in my gut. I get the feeling that there’s only one real power in the world and it’s
the Incunabula, and we’re all just puppets of this elite group of moneymen. Isn’t that pretty
much the subtext of all your comments here?”
Dr. Neruda: “No, not at all, but I can understand how you arrive at that conclusion given that
we’ve been focused on the Triad of Power, or TOP, as we refer to it within the Labyrinth Group.
TOP is a reality on earth, and it probably will be for many generations to come, and it’s certainly
in the best position to dominate world affairs and development, but there are other powers that
can intervene and bring fresh opportunity to the world’s people.”

Sarah: “Like religious powers?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes, that’s one, though they will never rival the Incunabula in terms of impacting
on world affairs.”

Sarah: “So who’re you talking about? Give me some names or examples.”

Dr. Neruda: “The rise of personal computers and the Internet was never intended to occur
according to the Incunabula. It was one of the developments that genuinely surprised the
planners within the Incunabula and proved to be a very vexing issue for nearly a decade.
Computing power was supposed to remain in the hands of the elite. The Internet grew
organically and at a pace that no one thought possible, and it caught the Incunabula completely
off guard.”

Sarah: “So technology is a power that frustrated the plans of the Incunabula?”

Dr. Neruda: “It’s one example.”

Sarah: “I imagine the ACIO is another?”

Dr. Neruda: “The single greatest weakness of the Incunabula is its lack of scientific expertise
within the ranks of its leadership. While it has technical and scientific members in special
projects within the Global Military Industrial Complex, they are not leaders, and it is the
leadership of the Incunabula that establishes its agenda.”

Sarah: “But I thought you said that Fifteen was part of the Incunabula.”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes, but the ACIO is simply seen as a resource to the Incunabula. Fifteen is
perceived as an anarchist whose vision could never be aligned with the leadership of the
Incunabula. They don’t even identify with his vision.”

Sarah: “If the Incunabula relies so heavily on ACIO technology, and they need scientific
leadership, why don’t they replace Fifteen and place someone they can control better?”

Dr. Neruda: “They originally tried to have a Director who would be more compliant, but it didn’t
succeed.”

Sarah: “How do you mean that?”

Dr. Neruda: “One of the first Directors of the ACIO was a member of the Incunabula’s Military
Force and was very much an insider in terms of working with some of its higher ranking leaders,
especially in America.”

Sarah: “Can you disclose his name?”

Dr. Neruda: “Vannevar Bush.”

Sarah: “How do you spell his name?”

Dr. Neruda (Spelling it out.)

Sarah: “Is he related to President George Bush?”

Dr. Neruda: “No.”

Sarah: “So he ran the ACIO when it was still in its infancy?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes.”

Sarah: “What happened to him?”

Dr. Neruda: “He was too visible, and it was rightly feared that he would not be able to retain
secrecy.”

Sarah: “Why?”

Dr. Neruda: “Dr. Bush was a gifted individual who exercised both technical vision and leadership
skills. He had access to the leadership of the government and the Incunabula. He could manage
a large team of scientists and engineers as well as anyone could. He essentially built the
infrastructure for military research, but his celebrity status was troublesome to the founders of
the Incunabula.”

Sarah: “Give me a sense of the timetable because I've got to admit I’ve never heard of this
man.”

Dr. Neruda: “It was right near the end of World War II that Dr. Bush was asked to head up a
team of research scientists that had been assembled from the NDRC and SPL to reverse-
engineer a recovered alien spacecraft that had been recovered in 1940 off the coast of Florida.
These were actually top scientists from the newly formed ACIO. The spacecraft had been placed
in cold storage because of World War II. As the war ended, Bush became privy to this discovery
through his network and offered his leadership to the project. As I understand it, he was just
coming off the Manhattan Project when this opportunity presented itself.”

Sarah: “So he was considered a security risk and that ended his tenure at the ACIO?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes.

“This reverse-engineering project was held in the highest possible secrecy. Dr. Bush ran the
operation within the SPL through special funding from the OSS, which was the forerunner of the
CIA. However, after a year’s time, little progress was made and there were rumors attributed to
Bush that alien spacecraft consumed his agenda.

“Bush reported directly to James Forrestal, who at the time was heading up the Navy, but
shortly thereafter became the first Secretary of Defense. Truman was president.

“The spacecraft that had been recovered was sufficiently intact to conduct reverse-engineering
studies on its propulsion system, which was the most critical knowledge that Forrestal hoped to
extract from the project.”

Sarah: “What year are we talking?”

Dr. Neruda: “This would have been between 1945 and 1946.”
Sarah: “So what happened?”

Dr. Neruda: “Bear in mind that my knowledge of these events is based on my study of the ACIO
archive. I wasn’t personally involved in any of these happenings, so I’m not vouching for their
absolute accuracy.”

Sarah: “Understood.”

Dr. Neruda: “Dr. Bush was asked to replicate the propulsion system of the recovered craft in 12
months, and was given the resources of the ACIO in order to do so.”

Sarah: “And did he succeed?”

Dr. Neruda: “Only partially. The electromagnetic fields were not fully replicated in terms of their
sustained intensity levels in metals because of electron drift, which, and I’m struggling to keep
this in layperson’s terms, were the primary reason it failed. Nonetheless, there were prototypes
built that replicated aspects of the alien craft’s propulsion system, and these were sufficient to
galvanize funding and support for the ACIO.”

Sarah: “Then why didn’t Dr. Bush join the ACIO?”

Dr. Neruda: “He knew it would require that he go underground and essentially become
anonymous. He didn’t want anonymity because he was a prodigious inventor and liked the
limelight accorded him from government officials as well as the scientific community at large.
Also, I don’t think the head of the OSS thought his mental capabilities were sufficient to the
task. Bush was a great organizer of talent, but he lacked the commanding intellect in physics to
lead the ACIO as it was envisioned in those days.”

Sarah: “How many people knew about this project?”

Dr. Neruda: “I’m not sure. Perhaps five or six knew the total scope of the project and another
fifty knew elements of the project. It was, as I said before, a very well guarded secret.”

Sarah: “How do you keep something like this a secret?”

Dr. Neruda: “There are entire departments within our government that have responsibility for
this. It’s a very well engineered process that includes legal contracts, clear penalty reminders,
and known deterrence factors that include very invasive technologies. In the worst case, if vital
information was disclosed, a different but related department would step in that would
masterfully spread disinformation. It was, and still is, virtually impossible to bring this
information to the public.”

Sarah: “They had invasive technologies even in 1945?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes. While the invasive technologies were more crudely applied, they were
certainly effective. There was nothing more vilified in these undisclosed organizations than
traitors. The entire organizational culture was designed to reward loyalty and severely punish
disloyalty in any form.”

Sarah: “I want to switch topics for a moment. It seems that we’re in a new stage of world peace
and economic stability, but when I hear you talk, it seems that this just isn’t possible given the
nature of the Incunabula and the triad of power that you were talking about earlier. Is this
true?”
Dr. Neruda: “It is an illusion. There may be lulls in the movements of war, but look at the past
one hundred years. Isn’t it an assemblage of wars?”

Sarah: “And all because war feeds the triad of power as you call it?”

Dr. Neruda: “No. There are forces that truly believe in good and evil. In their view, countries –
like people – are essentially cast into three categories: good, neutral, and evil. Those that are
good must dominate the world political structures and ensure that those that are evil are
identified and reduced to a non-threat status.”

Sarah: “But the cold war is over, right? The Soviet Union is no more, and what’s left of it seems
more or less friendly to the interests of the free world. Isn’t this true?”

Dr. Neruda: “When power is concentrated in a single person, and that country or organization
develops long range missile technology, it immediately becomes a target for concern within the
intelligence community.”

Sarah: “And am I correct in assuming that the intelligence community you’re referring to is
global and managed by the Incunabula?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes, but it is not formally managed by the Incunabula.”

Sarah: “I understand, but the results are the same, right?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes.”

Sarah: “I apologize for the interruption.”

Dr. Neruda: “The perceived enemy is missile technology in the hands of a concentrated power.
There are many, many countries that have this technology so it ensures distrust. Organizations
like the U.N. (United Nations) are not sufficiently empowered to deal with these threats, so
multilateral coalitions are developed between nations to deal with the perceived threats, often
completely undisclosed to the public.

“Iraq is a perfect example. North Korea is another, but it lacks the strategic geography to place
it on the top of the list. So, geography also plays a central role in this assessment.”

Sarah: “So essentially the world is coalescing into three camps. I understand that, but who
determines who is evil, neutral, and good? I mean isn’t this a terribly subjective call?”

Dr. Neruda: “Whoever exerts the greatest global leadership in terms of projecting military force,
economic vibrancy, and foreign policy makes this determination. And yes, it is certainly
subjective, but it’s precisely why the U.S. has adopted its imperialist attitude. It wants to define
good and evil for the world, and in so doing, it can more effectively export its own definition of
peace and democracy.”

Sarah: “Sounds so simplistic when you put it those terms.”

Dr. Neruda: “It’s a natural outgrowth of how a state engineers its power. The state requires its
enemies in order to convince its citizens to accept its authority over their lives. The greater the
fear the state is able to provoke in the hearts and minds of its citizens, the more power its
citizens are willing to give to it in order to protect them from its enemies. All states, to varying
degrees, do this.”
Sarah: “Are you saying that the U.S., just to pick an example, engineers its enemies? You’re
really saying that America creates its enemies in order to increase its power domestically and
internationally.”

Dr. Neruda: “I don’t mean that the U.S. literally creates its enemies. The U.S. has potential
adversaries in many parts of the world. Its policy of military presence as a global protector is all
that’s required to create enemies. Its forceful export of its political belief system is also
troublesome to many countries that see American interests as a prelude to cultural colonization.”

Sarah: “Because we’re the only remaining superpower?”

Dr. Neruda: “No. It’s because the U.S. has a global military presence and economic lever that it
wields with relative virtuosity. It is skillful at aggression without appearing aggressive. It
protects and defends, and sometimes it will do this in a pre-emptive strike and sometimes in a
reactive countermeasure that is usually at a force response that is several fold the original
intensity. America’s self interests have become the standard of the free world, and there are
those who fear it will dominate to the point of imperialism.”

Sarah: “How does all of this fit into the work of the Incunabula or the ACIO for that matter?”

Dr. Neruda: “The Incunabula uses the U.S. as a force for globalization. It is the lead horse
pulling the nation states of the globe into a common economic and political platform.

“As far as the ACIO is concerned, it has thoroughly analyzed the various scenarios presented by
U.S. global domination and find that there are only two scenarios in which the United States can
achieve its ambitious aims without catalyzing a world war and plunging the global economy into
a severe depression.”

Sarah: “Can you disclose these?”

Dr. Neruda: “No.”

Sarah: “Why?”

Dr. Neruda: “They are based on a mixture of remote viewing, advanced computer modeling, and
preliminary BST tests. I am not willing to disclose this information at this time. Perhaps at a later
date.”

Sarah: “I fully realize that we’ve gotten completely off the subject, but you seem to be leading
me into this conversation. I can’t help it.”

Dr. Neruda: “I understand.”

Sarah: “Are there plans for making this all happen? I mean does the Incunabula actually
engineer the globalization or does it sort of happen as a result of a nudge here and a nudge
there?”

Dr. Neruda: “It’s a carefully orchestrated process. The planning is deep, penetrating, and
exhaustive. It is not flawless nor is it carried out with perfect precision. Nonetheless there is
certainly a plan and it’s executed by the triad of power as I stated earlier.”

Sarah: “And you’ve seen this plan?”

Dr. Neruda: “I know of it through the Labyrinth Group. Fifteen requires each of us to know these
plans on an intimate basis.”

Sarah: “Can you disclose any of this plan?”

Dr. Neruda: “I think I have been alluding it to it this interview.”

Sarah: “Yes, but you haven’t been clear about how events will culminate in such a way that the
Incunabula will rise to power.”

Dr. Neruda: “It is not pre-ordained. There is no certainty in what I am about to disclose. It is a
plan. Albeit a plan created by very ambitious and capable people.”

Sarah: “Duly noted.”

Dr. Neruda: “There are serious flaws within the global economy, and the United States will,
within the next seven years, begin to express these flaws in ways that ripple through the globe
and cause financial unrest. The best way to ensure that these flaws are controlled is to tighten
corporate loopholes that allow greedy executives to exploit their shareholders, and to seize
control over the price of oil.”

Sarah: “Wait a minute, I thought the greedy executives were exactly the profile of the
Incunabula. Why would they lock down on their own turf?”

Dr. Neruda: “The Incunabula leadership is not comprised of greedy executives. It is made up of
anonymous individuals. They are not sitting on corporate boards. They are not the Bill Gates of
corporate America, nor are they the Bluebloods of European royalty. They are anonymous, and
through their anonymity they wield great power. They are the strategists of the triad of power
who plot and plan at such a level as to make corporate executives and politicians seem like
preschoolers fumbling to hold a pencil.”

Sarah: “So if you gave me a name of the leader of the Incunabula, I couldn’t look him up. He
doesn’t exist?”

Dr. Neruda: “That’s correct.”

Sarah: “So these people are not really very different from those of you within the ACIO.”

Dr. Neruda: “They are very different. They produce globalization and uniform economic and
political platforms, while we produce breakthrough technologies. They practice hegemony, while
we practice science.”

Sarah: “I didn’t mean to offend you… I thought you said earlier that the Incunabula used White
Papers and think tanks to promote its vision for the future.”

Dr. Neruda: “No, it is the Military Force that does this. The Incunabula is multi-tiered, as I’ve
said before. It produces ideas and frameworks that produce the right conditions for the think
tanks and other forces of the elite power base to exert influence. It is a very complicated
process. If you would like me to go into it, I will.”

Sarah: “No, I sort of interrupted you. You were talking about the Incunabula’s plan.”
Dr. Neruda: “They desire a paperless currency coupled to a global leadership, and to carry this
out they require a restructuring – or perhaps more precisely, a complete reengineering of
resource and power sharing.”

Sarah: “Can you elaborate on this a bit?”

Dr. Neruda: “The plan requires new leadership in the Arab states. There is general concern that
the Arab states will consolidate much like Europe is in the process of doing, and new
superpowers will be created out of this consolidation. Multiple superpowers make consolidation
of the global economic platform a thorny proposition.

“Because of its natural aggression as a superpower, the United States is the spearhead of the
Incunabula to usher in the required changes of their plan. It will be positioned to exert a strong
military and cultural presence in the Middle East and Asia. Partly for oil considerations and partly
for the purpose of gradually westernizing the indigenous cultures.”

Sarah: “Hold on a second. Our military bases are as much for the protection of our allies as for
ourselves, and as for culture, we may export our movies and pop stars, but other countries are
just as eager to be trend setters in the culture game.”

Dr. Neruda: “There’s a difference. The U.S. protects and defends because it can establish
military bases in those regions after it is done defending. Agreements are made – sometimes
without the public’s knowledge – to have military bases and protective forces therein for
domestic peace issues and normalization. The U.S. has over 170 military bases on foreign soil.
This number will continue to grow as dictated by this plan.

“In regard to the export of culture, yes, you are right, the U.S. is not alone in this, but it leads
the way through its capitalistic leverage of pop culture. No one does this as well as American
corporations. They have set the world standard for monetizing content and brands. Other
countries mimic this standard and add their weight. Collectively, the culture of capitalism
reaches the Arab nations, China, North Korea, Southeast Asia, and the people of these countries
– especially the new generations – are seduced by its allure.”

Sarah: “I can’t help but get the impression that you’re not very patriotic.”

Dr. Neruda: “The plan I share with you is rooted in the success of the United States to secure
unilateral superpower status by the turn of the century. The U.S. will, as a result, be required to
assert itself because there will be many challengers and discreditors. However, in this process, it
will increase its worldwide presence as the leader of the free world. This is the goal that many
throughout the world hold dear to their heart, whether they voice this sentiment or not.

“I don’t hold any grudge against the U.S. for this assertion. Any nation would do the same thing
if given the opportunity. The United States is relentlessly aggressive in all the important
dimensions: military, culture, capitalism, applied technology, foreign policy, space, economic
policy, and intelligentsia, to name the most critical areas.

“In Nature, the alpha male dominates through strength, cunning, and aggression. It is no
different in the world of humans and statehood. The alpha male also has a responsibility for
protection and sustenance. And the Incunabula planners selected the U.S. as being the most
suitable country to lead the pack of other nations to the global platforms it has designed and is
readying.”

Sarah: “Okay, it sort of makes sense, what you’re saying, but the Incunabula wants the U.S. to
lead the world to a global community of free, democratic states with a global culture based on
capitalism. How do they know the free world will elect them to govern them?”
Dr. Neruda: “They don’t. There are, as I’ve said many times here tonight, no guarantees. All I
can say is that they don’t miscalculate very often, and when they do, they adjust to the changes
presented them. Again, the planners of the Incunabula, the real architects behind these events,
are not interested in being the leaders of earth in terms of visibility. They want to appoint the
leadership while giving the world a sense of choice.”

Sarah: “It’s very hard to imagine how the world would select one leadership. It sounds like
something that is hundreds of years in the future – if ever.”

Dr. Neruda: “I understand your conclusion, but what seems implausible today can rapidly evolve
if the proper conditions are created. This is precisely what the Incunabula are focused on above
all else. They realize that this may not take place until the year 2040 or even later, but they are
convinced that consolidation of power – at a global level – is necessary in order to prevent
planetary destruction or what we talked about earlier as Armageddon.”

Sarah: “What do you mean by planetary destruction?”

Dr. Neruda: “There are many decay forces that can take hold of a planet and cause its decline as
a supportive living environment. In our interactions with extraterrestrials, this is a common
theme that is expressed because this condition frequently accompanies the rise of post-modern
civilizations.

“Human populations fragment across a planet, developing their unique cultures, language,
economic systems, and state identities. Certain states have the good fortune of natural
resources and some do not. As these natural resources of the planet are converted into
commercial advantage, some states flourish economically and some flounder.

“As the stronger states begin to dominate the weaker, military forces and weapons are created.
Applied technology becomes the ultimate weapon. If multiple super powers are allowed to
develop they can bring destruction to the human populations of the planet. If population
densities reach a critical level, it can have the same devastating effects.

“The human residents increasingly bring the planet under pressure. If left unchecked, the planet
can reach a critical stage of destruction whereby human populations no longer find the planet a
suitable habitat.”

Sarah: “So you’re saying that the whole reason the Incunabula are engineering the globalization
of earth is because they want to save earth from destruction?”

Dr. Neruda: “I will put it this way. The leaders of the Incunabula are very clear about the threats
that earth will undergo in the 21st century. They believe their orchestration of human events
better serves the human population than to leave it to the forces of competitive politics. They
genuinely believe that the self-interests of the states will prevent a consolidation of global
power.”

Sarah: “Remind me again, why is this consolidation, as you put it, so critical to our survival?”

Dr. Neruda” “Because the threats that will confront the human population in the 21st century will
be global issues – whether they are intractable recessions, dwindling oil supplies, food
distribution, overpopulation, pollution, nuclear fallout, or extraterrestrial visitations, they will
require a global, coordinated response. Unless the nations of the world are united, they will
respond too slowly to the threats, and the decay forces will have such traction that they may be
impossible to reverse.”

Sarah: “But isn’t this why the United Nations was formed? To deal with these very issues?”
Dr. Neruda: “The United Nations is a prototype that the Incunabula designed to serve as an
experiment to test the format for a world government. It was never considered to be the format
for consolidation.

“The issues of which I’m speaking of are not confronted in the United Nations, even if they’re
discussed and debated. Resolutions are designed to help remedy the problems, but ultimately it
depends upon the will of the individual state to implement, monitor, report, analyze results, and
make adjustments, and this is not enforced in any reasonable manner. A world government, to
be effective, will require the ability to enforce and adjust resolutions based on sound analysis.
Otherwise these threats will arise and the world’s people will not be able to speak with a single
voice, and more importantly, to act as a unified force against threats.”

Sarah: “So this is the real end game of the Incunabula? What happened to the greedy elitists
you disclosed earlier?”

Dr. Neruda: “Greed is alive and well within the ranks of the Incunabula. But I’ve been talking
about the planners of the Incunabula – the people who have the real grip on power. They don’t
operate out of greed. They have assets that are beyond the imagination of even wealthy people.
The acquisition of wealth is completed for them.

“The planners are concerned with securing humanity’s future, rather than generating wealth for
themselves.”

Sarah: “Okay, I understand you’re a sympathizer of the Incunabula, but what happened to the
insatiable greed and self interests? I know you mentioned this before.”

Dr. Neruda: “It exists, but the Incunabula, like any undisclosed organization is composed of
multiple levels. Operatives at the lower levels function within a set of rules and norms that do
not apply to the higher levels. In other words, planners operate in a completely different
organizational culture. There is a sophistication and penetrating insight at the highest levels that
are not existent at the operations level.

“Planners within the Incunabula are of a special character and they feel a genuine responsibility
to manage the global affairs of humanity. They are most certainly better equipped than heads of
state to perform this function, and so they compose and orchestrate world events instead of
merely participating in their unfolding.

“Over time, this role has made them very responsible and even paternalistic to humanity as a
whole. They’re not motivated by greed, as are many others within the Incunabula and the
broader Triad of Power, but they earnestly desire to save the planet. They are like captains of a
ship that know where the dangers lie in the waters below and steer quietly away because they
do not want to go down with the ship.”

Sarah: “Okay, when you say these planners are anonymous, they must have names and
identities, right?”

Dr. Neruda: “No. They operate outside of our system. They cannot be tracked or identified. If
they were to be hit by a car and sent to a hospital, they would have diplomatic papers and
immunity. They would not have any record of existence outside of this. And even if their identity
were researched, it would lead to a fabricated identity.”

Sarah: “What about family and relatives? I assume they were born into families weren’t they?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes, they are human if that’s what you’re implying. In most cases they’re groomed
for their positions from an early age. When they reach their early twenties they’re typically
brought into a direct mentorship with one of the Incunabula planners and a very specific
succession process is begun, which usually lasts for about ten years. When the person is in his
mid-twenties his loyalty is tested in every conceivable manner over the next five years. If he
passes these tests, he is allowed to preview the inner workings of the Incunabula. For most, this
is near their thirty-third birthday.

“At this point, a new identity is transferred to the person and they die – quite literally – so far as
their family and friends are concerned. These deaths are arranged as covers for their new
identities and usually involve drowning or a fire accident, where physical evidence is minimal.
Prior to their arranged death, insurance policies, if they exist, are cancelled to ensure minimal
investigation, and usually the death is staged during a trip to a specific third-world country
where police investigators are more easily controlled.

“After their death event, the new planner is inducted in a secret ceremony that I do not have
details of. This inner circle becomes the surrogate family for the new planner, and as they
develop in their skills, insights, intuition, and knowledge base, they develop a very protective
sensibility to the longstanding goals and objectives of the Incunabula.”

Sarah: “Okay, but don’t they ultimately get married and have children? How do they keep all of
this separate? I mean how do you go to work during the day and plan the future of the world
and then come home to dinner with the wife and kids?”

Dr. Neruda: “The planners are not married. It’s frowned on by the Incunabula. It is one of the
tests I mentioned that they undergo in their mid-twenties.”

Sarah: “So it’s a priesthood?”

Dr. Neruda: “Not at all. No one is asked to be celibate, but the role of the planner is all
consuming. It requires minimal distractions and commitments outside of their role as planners.
It’s a sacrifice and it heightens loyalty within the circle of planners.”

Sarah: “How do they find future planners if they don’t have children?”

Dr. Neruda: “There are only five to eight planners at any one time within the Incunabula. Five is
the core number, but there are usually two or three in training as well, but these do not have
voting powers. I mention this because it is a very small number. Now, as to your question,
candidates are identified early on – usually when the person is a teenager.”

Sarah: “Is this as a result of them doing something noteworthy or does it result from something
else?”

Dr. Neruda: “They are, with rare exception, identified as a result of their genetics.”

Sarah: “How is this done?”

Dr. Neruda: “It’s a result of extensive tracking of lineages and genetic traits – including
mutations. This is something that is well understood by the Incunabula, and is given a significant
amount of time and investment. Genetic candidates are identified and observed over a period of
about three years before any contact is made.”

Sarah: “How many, at any one time, are being tracked?”

Dr. Neruda: “About fifty in number, but out of every generation only two or three are chosen.”

Sarah: “And those that aren’t chosen don’t even know they were passed over?”
Dr. Neruda: “Yes, that’s correct.”

Sarah: “How did the planners come about? I mean, how did they rise to leadership?”

Dr. Neruda: “The Incunabula came to its power as a result of the inefficiencies of the intelligence
community to gather information and position its strategic value relative to the long-term crises
that were forming on the horizon as they pertained to the global economy.

“Shortly after the second World War, many nations, including the United States, restructured or
initiated their intelligence organizations – particularly as it related to foreign policy intelligence
gathering.

“However, these organizations were still locked into the cold war mentality and didn’t formally
share intelligence as a result. The Incunabula arose out of a need to consolidate global
intelligence as the best means to strategically maneuver the nation states to a unified platform
of commerce.”

Sarah: “So it was less about saving the world than it was about making money, at least
initially?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes.”

Sarah: “But how did it all start? I mean who decided it would be a good idea to create an
organization that shared intelligence?”

Dr. Neruda: “If I gave you his name, it wouldn’t mean anything to you. I assure you his name is
not recorded in any directory or reference material you could research.”

Sarah: “But there was only one person that started this organization?”

Dr. Neruda: “No. There were five men that started it, but one sparked the vision.”

Sarah: “As you’re talking I can’t help but think that these planners sound a lot like the
Hollywood portrayal of the antichrist. I mean don’t they wield a god-like power? And yet I
haven’t heard you say anything about a religious connection.”

Dr. Neruda: “I think the power they wield is directed at the survival of humanity. They’re not evil
in the sense that they’re intent on destroying earth or humanity. They’re trying to guide
humanity to new systems before the old systems decay and create the conditions that could
bring annihilation to a substantial percentage of the species.

“The choices of a fragmented state leadership or anarchy are not suitable systems for modern,
civilized man. They invariably lead to imbalance and an inability to move from the old system to
the new system. Before the advent of long-range missile technology, nuclear, biological and
chemical weapons, this migration of the human race from one system to another was not as
critical. But the chasm that exists between systems as complex as economies and energy, and in
light of modern weapon’s technology, the Incunabula serve a vital role.”

Sarah: “Do the planners believe in God?”

Dr. Neruda: “I presume they believe in a higher power. Perhaps they don’t call it God because of
the religious overtones contained in that word, but they certainly are aware of the unification
force because Fifteen has acquainted the present generation of planners with the LERM
technology.”
Sarah: “That’s interesting. So they’ve all seen LERM and know how it works?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes, to your first question, but I don’t believe they understand how it works at the
micro-factual level.”

Sarah: “When someone – like the Incunabula planners – interact with LERM, assuming they
didn’t believe in God beforehand, in other words they’re an atheist, does it convert them?”

Dr. Neruda: “Again, it depends on the definition of God. If they don’t believe in God as defined
by a certain religion, and then experience LERM, they will not be persuaded by LERM to believe
in the religious version of God.”

Sarah: “I think I followed your explanation, but what I mean is different. Assume they didn’t
believe in any higher power, that the universe is a big mechanical formation that became the
way it did by some evolutionary quirk. Would someone of this mindset become a believer that
there’s a force orchestrating things – even if you don’t choose to call it God?”

Dr. Neruda: “Everyone who has undertaken the LERM experience concludes that a unifying
intelligence pervades the universe in every measurable dimension, and that this intelligence is
both personal and universal simultaneously, and because of this feature, it is absolute, unique,
singular.

“It’s a life-changing experience even if you already believe in God. You are converted, as you put
it, no matter how strong or weak your previous beliefs in God were.”

Sarah: “It’s too bad you didn’t bring this technology with you when you defected… I’d love to
experience this.

“So, back to the Incunabula for a moment, it would make me feel better if I knew they believed
in God, and you’re saying they do. Right?”

Dr. Neruda: “They believe in this unifying intelligence that I spoke of, and I suspect that if you
asked them, they would tell you that they’re guided and perhaps even inspired by this intelligent
force. I don’t know if they would call it God or some other name. But I trust they are believers in
what some would call the unification force.”

Sarah: “But it’s not like a religion to them?”

Dr. Neruda: “That’s correct. I know of nothing that would suggest that the Incunabula planners
follow a specified religion or desire to start one for that matter.

Sarah: “I don’t know why I’m asking all these question tonight, but it’s fascinating to hear more
details about the Incunabula. I find it an irresistible topic.

“How is it that you know so much about such a secretive organization?”

Dr. Neruda: “As I mentioned previously, the ACIO is a major contractor with the Incunabula and
receives funding and support from them, including shared intelligence and mutual protection. As
a result of this longstanding relationship, directors at the ACIO have considerable insight into the
organization. Fifteen is not a planner, but is held in very high esteem by the planners and meets
with them perhaps once or twice a year.

“Fifteen is well aware of the objectives of the planners, and he shares his insights with members
of the Labyrinth Group. We also discuss how the Incunabula’s plans might bear on our own. The
Incunabula is a factor in the ACIO plans, but they don’t dominate its agenda.”
Sarah: “How much do the Incunabula know about the WingMakers and the Ancient Arrow site?”

Dr. Neruda: “Very little, as far as I know. Fifteen begrudgingly provides some information to his
direct agency supervisor, but the NSA is not aware of the Ancient Arrow site. There are two
operatives within the NSA that are aware of the original artifact that was found, but Fifteen
placed the existence of this artifact in question due to its self-destruction.”

Sarah: “I assume from your response that whatever is shared with the NSA, at least in the case
of the ACIO, it is shared with the Incunabula planners.”

Dr. Neruda: “No. There are information filters that reduce clutter. Only certain information, as
deemed necessary by Fifteen, is forwarded up the command chain to the Incunabula planners.”

Sarah: “The WingMakers are understood to be a force to be reckoned with, correct?”

Dr. Neruda: “Do you mean by the Incunabula planners?”

Sarah: “Yes.”

Dr. Neruda: “The planners know about the Central Race and the legend pertaining to their
existence. There are several important references to them in various books and prophecy, so
even if the ACIO didn’t share anything of their discovery in New Mexico, the Incunabula –
especially its planners – are well aware of the Central Race.”

Sarah: “Why did Fifteen choose not to share the Ancient Arrow discovery with either the NSA or
the Incunabula?”

Dr. Neruda: “Fifteen designed the Labyrinth Group largely for security reasons. Information that
pertains to BST is held in the highest secrecy. As I mentioned earlier, Fifteen was hopeful that
the Ancient Arrow site, and the other related sites, would somehow accelerate the successful
deployment of BST.

“It’s a simple matter of not wanting to alert the Incunabula, or the NSA for that matter, to the
technology prowess of the Labyrinth Group. If they knew what the Labyrinth Group had in terms
of technology, the planners would want to have detailed knowledge of this technology, and
Fifteen doesn’t trust anyone outside his directors with this knowledge.”

Sarah: “The part that I find bewildering in all of this is that you have all of this knowledge about
the universe, extraterrestrials, global plans, and futuristic technologies, and because you have
this knowledge you’re essentially a prisoner now.”

Dr. Neruda: “I prefer conscientious defector.”

Sarah: “Whatever you call it, you've got to be a little paranoid about the remote viewing
capabilities of the ACIO and their various technologies. How can you outrun the ACIO or the
Incunabula if they’re anywhere as powerful as you say they are?”

Dr. Neruda: “I don’t know that I can evade them. I don’t feel invincible or vulnerable. I’m simply
operating on a moment-to-moment basis, trying my best to transfer what I know so you can
help me publish this information.

“It’s never been done before – to defect from the ACIO. I know Fifteen is searching for me, I can
actually feel this.”
Sarah: “You mean you can feel when they use their remote viewing technology?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes.”

Sarah: “How often have you detected this since you left?”

Dr. Neruda: “I’d prefer not to say how many instances, but I’m aware of each incident.”

Sarah: “Have you ever felt this during our interview?”

Dr. Neruda: “No. I would stop the interview if this were the case.”

Sarah: “How would this help?”

Dr. Neruda: “I would prefer that they not hear our conversation – even its general tone.”

Sarah: “Is this why we meet at the times we do?”

[Note: Our meetings were always in a different place, late at night, and they were often
outdoors in non-descript places. This was the case in this fourth interview.]

Dr. Neruda: “Yes.”

Sarah: “So how do you protect yourself and me?”

Dr. Neruda: “By meeting at odd hours and changing locations, at least until you can get these
interviews published on the Internet.”

Sarah: “How will this help you exactly? I know we’ve had this discussion before, but I still don’t
understand how this information will help you if it gets into the public domain. It seems to me
that it would only anger them.”

Dr. Neruda: “They won’t be pleased at this disclosure – there’s no doubt in this. However, it will
not touch them in any significant way because very few in power will believe what I share with
you, assuming they even read it.”

Sarah: “And why is this?”

Dr. Neruda: “They are totally consumed in their own agendas and personal dramas. The
information I’m disclosing defies categorization. It ranges from poetry to physics, from esoteric
philosophy to the conspiratorial forces within MIC (the Military Industrial Complex). And because
it defies categorization, it will be difficult to critique and analyze. Most will consider it an
interesting piece of entertainment and leave it at that.

“Also, and more importantly, there’s a real feeling of acceptance because intelligentsia and the
political body of dissent don’t feel equipped to stop what is presumed to be the inevitable. There
are those within both of these groups that have a general awareness of what is emerging, but
feel completely powerless to change it, and there is a sense of fate that accompanies their
silence.

“The ones that will find it most disturbing are the planners within the Incunabula, and Fifteen
himself, and not because politicians or the media will be stepping into their arena, but because
they don’t want their secrets revealed to their followers, or, in the case of Fifteen, to the
planners of the Incunabula or his contacts at the NSA.”
Sarah: “So this is a purpose of these disclosures – to infuriate the Incunabula planners and your
boss?”

Dr. Neruda: “No. I don’t have any vested interest in making their lives more difficult. It’s simply
a result of my candid disclosure that they will undergo the resulting pressures from their
constituents. This is the only thing that they’ll find unpleasant in this whole disclosure. Once the
information is out I will be less an interest, other than for pure analysis.”

Sarah: “Pure analysis?”

Dr. Neruda: “What I mean is that the ACIO – Fifteen in particular – will want to analyze what
went wrong in their security system to ensure that another defection will not take place. There’s
always the lurking fear that one successful defection would encourage others. If they captured
me, they would be able to do a more thorough analysis on the psychological state, precipitating
factors, methods of evasion, and so on.”

Sarah: “You’ve talked before about the website. What is it that you want to achieve with this?”

Dr. Neruda: “To simply make available what the WingMakers have left behind. It will not
threaten the ACIO or the Incunabula. It would be impossible to do so, and they know that I
understand this. I can only cause a temporary embarrassment at best, but they can manage
their way through that.

“As I’ve said from the beginning, I wanted to share this information from the Ancient Arrow site
and any subsequent sites that I can.”

Sarah: “Any subsequent sites? Are you planning to find additional sites?”

Dr. Neruda: “I believe there are seven sites on earth. I also believe they can be found.”

Sarah: “How, exactly?”

Dr. Neruda: “I can’t disclose this.”

Sarah: “Have you found something within the Ancient Arrow artifacts that gives you directions?”

Dr. Neruda: “Again, I don’t want to disclose the details of this.”

Sarah: “Okay.

“Since we landed on the topic of the artifacts, I’m reminded that in our last session you
mentioned that you’d like us to talk about the artifacts from the Ancient Arrow site. This might
be a good time to do so. Where would you like to begin?”

Dr. Neruda: “One of the most interesting artifacts was the original homing device.”

Sarah: “This is the one found by the students at the University of New Mexico?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes. It was enigmatic in all respects.”

Sarah: “Give me some examples.”

Dr. Neruda: “When it was first discovered, it was laying on top of the ground as if it had been
placed there. This was not a buried object – as it should have been. It was left in the open,
albeit in a very non-descript section of northern New Mexico. When the students handled it, it
immediately induced vivid hallucinations, which they couldn’t understand.”

Sarah: “What kind of hallucinations?”

Dr. Neruda: “They saw images of a cave-like structure. It later turned out to be the Ancient
Arrow site, but of course they didn’t know what it was, and were afraid of it because they linked
the hallucinations to touching the object. So they wrapped the object up in a jacket, stuck it in
their backpack, and brought it to a professor at the University, who examined it. We discovered
it within hours afterwards and dispatched a team to secure the artifact.”

Sarah: “How exactly did you find out about the artifact? I assume the ACIO isn’t listed in the
phone directory.”

Dr. Neruda: “There are certain keywords that are monitored in e-mail and phone
communications – especially within academia. The ACIO simply taps into this technology that
was developed by the NSA, and can intercept e-mails and phone calls anywhere in the world
that relate to key words that it monitors.”

Sarah: “Like Alien or Extraterrestrial?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes. It actually works a little differently because the ACIO can define how many
characters – in the case of e-mail, or how much time – in the case of a phone conversation – it
wants to monitor on either side of the key word, and then extracts entire sentences or even
paragraphs in an effort to verify context. It also correlates this to the e-mail’s IP address or
phone number to a credibility index. If all of these variables meet a specified level, the
communication event is relayed to analysts at the ACIO who then perform more invasive
techniques to ensure context and content are matched and verified. All of these steps can take
place in a matter of an hour or two.”

Sarah: “And once you have this information verified you swoop in and take possession of
whatever you want?”

Dr. Neruda: “We have uncovered our most important discoveries in this very manner since this
system was activated, and the ACIO operates differently depending on the situation. In this
case, operatives were dispatched to the professor’s office posing as NSA agents in search of a
missing experimental weapon. It was believed by the professor to be in his own best interest to
release the object without delay since the artifact was deemed to be imminently dangerous.”

Sarah: “I’m surprised. Didn’t he wonder how you knew he had it?”

Dr. Neruda: “I’m sure he did, but there’s an element of shock that the operatives make use of
and they’re also highly skilled in the use of mind control. I’m sure he was very cooperative. The
artifact was secured without any major objection by the professor or the University.”

Sarah: “If I contacted the University of New Mexico would I be able to confirm that this
occurred?”

Dr. Neruda: “No. Every event of this kind is com-cleared, which is an ACIO term, meaning
contracts are signed and all communications are monitored for one year to ensure compliance.”

Sarah: “So they signed contracts and won’t talk because of a piece of paper? That seems a bit
outlandish.”

Dr. Neruda: “Do you know the penalty for treason?”

Sarah: “No, I mean I understand it’s not a good thing and all, but I just find it a little strange
that someone like a learned professor would be intimidated by a signed contract. What about the
students that originally found it, are they also com-cleared?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes.”

Sarah: “Okay, back to the artifact. What happened when you retrieved it? What was your role
specifically?”

Dr. Neruda: “I was asked to lead a team to assess the artifact using our internal Sanitaire
process.”

Sarah: “What’s this process do?”

Dr. Neruda: “Whenever an extraterrestrial artifact is recovered, it’s initially put through the
Sanitaire process, or what we sometimes referred to as the ‘I-steps’, which includes four stages
of analysis. The first is Inspection where we examine the object’s exterior and map its exterior
features in our computer. The next is Inference, which is the stage where we take the results of
stage one and compute the probable applications of the object. The third stage is Intervention,
which is related to any issues that pertain to the defense or security mode of the object. And the
last stage is Invasion, which simply means we try to access the inner workings of the object and
find out how it operates.”

Sarah: “How difficult was it to go through this four-step process with this artifact?”

Dr. Neruda: “It was one of the most difficult we had ever examined.”

Sarah: “Why?”

Dr. Neruda: ”It was designed for a very specific purpose and unless it was used for this purpose,
it was completely impenetrable to our examinations.”

Sarah: “Didn’t the hallucinations affect you?”

Dr. Neruda: “We knew of the hallucinations reported by the students who recovered the artifact,
but we didn’t find any evidence of this at all in our labs. We assumed the students were
imagining this due to the unusual nature of the artifact.

“It wasn’t until later that we discovered that the very subtle markings on the exterior of the
object where actually three dimensional topographical maps. Once we overlaid these to real
maps of the area in which the object was found, we uncovered its real purpose, which was a
homing beacon.

“The hallucinations were site-specific, which is to say that there was a proximity effect encoded
within the artifact that caused it to operate when two conditions were present. First, the object
needed to be within the geographical range of its map coordinates – as etched on its casing –
and two, it needed to be held in a human’s hands in order for its guidance system to activate.”

Sarah: “And by guidance system you’re talking about the hallucinations?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes.”

Sarah: “And throughout this whole process you didn’t know where this artifact came from,
right?”
Dr. Neruda: “We knew it was extraterrestrial and we knew it was situated.”

Sarah: “What do you mean by situated?”

Dr. Neruda: “That it was placed there to be found.”

Sarah: “Who do you think did this?”

Dr. Neruda: “Representatives of the Central Race.”

Sarah: “So what happened next after you realized it was a homing beacon?”

Dr. Neruda: “A team was dispatched to the area and we essentially followed the device to the
interior structure of the Ancient Arrow site, which you’re already aware of.”

Sarah: “You said earlier that this artifact was the most amazing of the entire find. If it was
simply a homing device, then the other artifacts I assume were fairly mundane.”

Dr. Neruda: “To be more accurate, I can’t say it was the most interesting since I defected before
all the other artifacts were sent through the I-Steps process, but it was a very advanced
technology and one of the most enigmatic we had come across in quite a while.

“For example, once our team came within a certain distance of the site, the artifact animated
under some undetermined energy source and scanned our group. It was literally reading our
bodies and minds, presumably to determine if we were suitable to discover the site.”

Sarah: “And if you weren’t suitable?”

Dr. Neruda: “It was never discussed, but I think everyone assumed it would probably have
destroyed the site and all those present at the time of the scanning. As it was, it only destroyed
itself.”

Sarah: “And you had no idea that it was capable of these feats when you examined it?”

Dr. Neruda: “None whatsoever. Its casing was resistant to all of our invasive analyses. It was a
real source of frustration. In fact, the artifact in the 23rd chamber was similarly vexing and
required significantly more resources to complete the I-Steps process.”

Sarah: “Are these the only two artifacts from the site that you’ve completed the I-Steps
process?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes, prior to my defection. But there were artifacts in every chamber, although the
one discovered in chamber twenty-three seemed the most important.”

Sarah: “And why was that?”

Dr. Neruda: “Remember that I described the interior of the site as a helix-shaped tunnel
system?”

Sarah: “Yes.”

Dr. Neruda: “The uppermost chamber was the 23rd chamber and in it was the optical disc. While
the other chambers held artifacts similar in size and composition to the homing artifact, the
artifact in the twenty-third chamber was an optical disc that had a degree of familiarity to it, and
we considered it the key to the entire site.”

Sarah: “Because it was so different from the other artifacts?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes. It was also the highest chamber in the formation and it was unique in its
structure in that it was the only chamber that was unfinished.”

Sarah: “I understand that all the information you showed me came from the disc, and I know
you’ve explained in some detail about how you were able to decode the information, but you’ve
alluded tonight that something within this site points to the location of six other sites. Can you
elaborate on this at all?”

Dr. Neruda: “There’s nothing in this information that points to the location of the other six sites.
However, I believe there is, encoded within this information, location markers to the next site.”

Sarah: “You mean the sites are supposed to be discovered in a specific order one at a time?”

Dr. Neruda: “I believe so.”

Sarah: “Can you give me some hints as to where the next site is, based on your analysis?”

Dr. Neruda: “If I gave you some information, you would need to promise that this interview
would not be released until I contacted you and confirmed it was okay to do so. Would you
agree with this?”

Sarah: “Certainly. I would honor anything you asked.”

Dr. Neruda: “There is an ancient temple just outside of the city of Cusco, Peru called
Sacsayhuaman. It is somewhere near this temple that the next site will be found.”

Sarah: “And do you know where exactly, or are you simply saying near to be evasive.”

Dr. Neruda: “No, I believe I know the exact coordinates, but this detail I won’t disclose.”

Sarah: “This is your homeland isn’t it?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes, I grew up not too far from this area.”

Sarah: “Have you been to this site before?”

Dr. Neruda: “No, but I’m somewhat familiar with the city of Cusco.”

Sarah: “This question may seem to come out of left field, and I’d understand if you don’t want to
answer it, but why do you think the Central Race would design a defensive system upon earth
and then leave its discovery and activation to an organization like the ACIO?”

Dr. Neruda: “I don’t think it was left in the hands of the ACIO to find and activate these sites.”

Sarah: “You, then?”

Dr. Neruda: “I’m not able to say at this time.”

Dr. Neruda: “But you’re certainly an important part of this aren’t you?”

Dr. Neruda: “I hope so.”

Sarah: “Okay, here’s another left curve.

“Why are five men – the Incunabula planners – allowed to control the destiny of humanity? I
mean it’s only five men and we’re five billion world citizens. No one elected these guys, and
virtually no one knows who these guys are, what their plans are, capabilities, insights, or even if
they truly have our best interests at heart.

“After hearing your story tonight, I’m left with this sense of indignation that five guys – no
matter how well intentioned – are deciding the fate of humanity and no one knows who they
are!

“At least with politicians I can see them, hear them talk on television, and get to know their
unique personalities. There’s a comfort in this. Whether I believe them all the time, well, that’s a
different story, but most of the ones I’ve voted for I think are good and honorable people.”

Dr. Neruda: “When you ask the question, ‘allowed’ to run the world, whom are you referring to?”

Sarah: “Doesn’t the Central Race have something to say about this? Afterall, as you mentioned
the other night, all of these seven ancient sites are part of a defensive weapon designed to
protect the earth. They also placed this homing device in clear sight for the ACIO to uncover,
which proves they’re interacting with us in our present time. Wouldn’t the Central Race need to
allow these planners to have such authority over humanity’s destiny?”

Dr. Neruda: “Let me try to answer your question this way.

“Presidents and senators, congressmen and governors, presidential cabinets and military
leaders, all ebb and flow, which is to say, they have their influence for a period of years, and
then they move aside for others to take their place. Their agendas express short-term power to
pass new legislation, appoint new judges, or amend laws. They are so focused on the politics of
the near-term that they lose sight of the importance of the long term.

“The Incunabula planners have the safety of permanence and place their whole focus on the
long-term objectives of humanity. This is the nature of the Incunabula. They bring continuity to
the major issues of our time and the times to come for the next three generations. They operate
in this realm to ensure they are not influenced by the short-term goals of special interest.

“As to your question about who ‘allows’ them to perform this function, I’d have to say that no
one does. No one has control or authority over the planners, no more than anyone has control or
authority over Fifteen or the Labyrinth Group.”

Sarah: “What about the Central Race, though? Doesn’t it stand to reason that they know about
these planners and watch them? I thought you said earlier that this unification force, or God,
advises them or something like that. Didn’t you make this comment?”

Dr. Neruda: “What I meant is that the Incunabula planners believe in this force that unifies all
sentient life throughout time and space. They believe very strongly in their personal destinies or
they would never have been placed in the position of a planner. It is a very esteemed position
despite its anonymity.
“I have no doubt that the Central Race is aware of the Incunabula planners and perhaps there is
even some influence or exchange. I don’t know. As I said before, my knowledge of the planners
is based exclusively on the reports from Fifteen.”

Sarah: “So it’s possible that Fifteen made all of this up?”

Dr. Neruda: “You mean about the planners?”

Sarah: “Isn’t it possible?”

Dr. Neruda: “No. But it’s possible that his perception is not completely accurate, though I doubt
it. Fifteen’s ability to grasp the character of someone is uncanny. He understands human
psychology better than those writing the textbooks. I think it would be impossible for the
planners to pull the wool over his eyes without him being aware of it.”

Sarah: “But you said you never met these planners – only Fifteen has…”

Dr. Neruda: “I understand your concern about the validity of this. If I could give you names to
check out, or some other form of proof, I would. These organizations exist right up to the
Incunabula, and they can be traced and researched. Certainly many journalists and researchers
have done so regarding Freemasonry or Skull and Bones, and some with good success. But they
never look at the broader order and what organization manages these larger, more abstract
forces that make up the Triad of Power.”

Sarah: “But why?”

Dr. Neruda: “There’s nothing to drill into. There’s no research traction. The organization is
purposely abstract and amorphous.”

Sarah: “But leaders like Clinton and Blair, aren’t they really pulling the strings? How do the
planners within the Incunabula have greater power than these leaders who are signing new
legislation into law or deciding whether we go to war or not? It just doesn’t make sense.”

Dr. Neruda: “Everything within a democracy is consensus and the game is designed to shift
consensual opinion and fix it on a specific galvanizing target. If there’s sufficient resonance with
the people, the shift can be manipulated. If there is not, the political will is stymied. Leadership
all over the world, unless it’s in a country like North Korea, is bound to this certainty, and
nation’s leaders are generally well schooled to operate within this reality.

“Yes, the world’s leaders appear to wield a great deal of power, but it is really aggression – not
power. True power is contained in the acts of implementing a plan that is designed to enhance
or optimize the position of humanity relative to its environment, and to protect it from
formidable threats. The key word is humanity, which is an analogue for the collective soul of
every person on the planet. It is not defined by ethnicity or geographical boundaries.

“World leaders apply aggression to achieve their agendas, which always include a healthy dose
of state greed and self-aggrandizement. The concept of humanity is not a critical ingredient in
their agenda. Their power, if that’s what you want to call it, is a collective will of a small inner
circle of political zealots who want to secure the benefits of their power for themselves first, their
state second, and their citizens third.”

Sarah: “That’s a pretty strong condemnation of our political system, assuming I understand you
correctly.”

Dr. Neruda: “Then I would say you understand me quite well.”

Sarah: “So our political leaders lack real power because they’re absorbed in state agendas that
exclude humanity as a whole?”

Dr. Neruda: “Please understand that I’m not condemning the individual leaders so much as I am
the provincial state system, which has been engineered to excite nationalism. The individual
leaders assume the identity of the state system, which is largely contrived around the single
concept of patriotism.”

Sarah: “So now you’re saying patriotism is the problem? I’m confused.”

Dr. Neruda: “Patriotism is the state catalyst. It is the means by which citizens are stirred to a
response. It is also the means by which leaders are directed to respond to issues or threats.
Under this singular banner, wars have been prosecuted and aggression veiled. It’s the ideal
method that the state uses to enjoin its citizens to support its leadership.

“I’m saying that the citizens’ identification with the state, or patriotism, is the real stumbling
block to effectively deal with the issues of humanity. The individual leaders are simply pawns
within this structure that was engineered as a means to colonize the weaker states.”

Sarah: “I think my brain can only handle one more question and than I’d like to call it quits for
tonight. Okay with you?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes, whatever you’d like.”

Sarah: “In this whole discussion tonight – most of which has been centered on the Incunabula
or, maybe more appropriately I should call it the world power structure – I don’t hear much
about the spiritual implications. It really sounds oddly impersonal and unspiritual, if that’s a
word. Can you comment on this?”

Dr. Neruda: “What is occurring in our world is a manifestation of how a species migrates from
statehood to species-hood. It is a stage within the migration plan. Humans must move from the
patriotic, believe-what-I-am-told mentality, and elevate their thinking to encompass and
embrace the holistic community of humankind. It will require enormous leadership capacity in
order to accomplish the conclusion of this migration, because the world’s people will require a
watershed event to erase its memory.”

Sarah: “Hold on a moment. What do you mean to erase its memory?”

Dr. Neruda: “There’s a persistent memory in the psyche of humans – particularly the weaker
cultures that have been trampled on by nations bent on colonization. These grievous
indignations to the weaker nations of the world have left a deep mark on their collective
memory. It’s vital that this memory be erased or purged in order for humankind to become
unified in its governance and fundamental systems.

“This event can be orchestrated or it may occur through natural means, but it’s generally agreed
that an event must arise that galvanizes the world’s people to unite, and in this process, purge
the memory of all peoples, but especially those who have been dealt with as victims of
colonization.”

Sarah: “I know I just said I was only good for one more question, but as a journalist I can’t
resist this line of thought. Give me some examples of what kind of event you’re talking about?”

Dr. Neruda: “The most probable event with global implications is an energy shortage.”
Sarah: “This is what you said earlier, but wouldn’t an energy shortage only create more friction
between the haves and have-nots?”

Dr. Neruda: “If it were managed properly, no. The kind of energy shortage I’m talking about will
have devastating effects on every aspect of our world. All infrastructures would be impacted,
and the impact would be harsh and persistent. A global body to regulate production and
distribution of existing resources, coupled to a well-managed search for alternative, renewable
sources would become a necessity of this condition.

“Still behind the scenes, the Incunabula would help to manage this event in such a way as to
restore equality to the world’s people. It would stand above the special interests and dominant
powers, and ensure fairness. This fairness would establish its instrument of global leadership as
the preeminent force for globalization, and the memory of all would – metaphorically speaking –
be erased.”

Sarah: “Is this my answer for where’s the spiritual in all of this?”

Dr. Neruda: “No. Admittedly I got sidetracked a bit.

“Also, I want to make the disclaimer that what I’m disclosing is the broad concept, and anyone
reading these disclosures in the future, I hope you will bear this in mind. I’m not able, owing to
the circumstances and time constraint, to provide a detailed rendering. However, these details
do exist and when one has the luxury of studying them, all of what I am disclosing will appear
more plausible.

“Now, regarding your question. The spiritual element is very strongly integrated to the whole
theme of tonight’s discussion. If I were to sum it up, I’d call it the human migration plan.
Humankind is evolving on one level, and migrating on another.

“In the instance of its evolution, humans are becoming more advanced technologically speaking
with the ability to multi-process more sophisticated visual, aural, and intellectual data. In other
words, the brain system is changing to become more holistic in how it processes information.
Computers are a big part of this evolutionary track.

“Humans are also migrating from separation by means of statehood, to unification through
globalism. This is a completely different but related track. Humankind is coalescing, even though
it may not seem like it because we continue to have wars and conflicts throughout the globe. It’s
happening in micro-steps.”

Sarah: “And the spiritual?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes, thank you. The spiritual is that these two tracks are leading humankind to
something that the WingMakers call the Grand Portal. It is the connection to our human soul,
which has been broken into hundreds of pieces and strewn across the globe in the form of
different colors, cultures, languages, and geographies, and is now in the process of an
unalterable reunion.

“This is the spiritual aspect, and it touches everything in our lives. It penetrates every single
atom of our collective existence, imbuing it with a destiny that is yet unseen.”

Sarah: “You just mentioned the Grand Portal. What is it?”

Dr. Neruda: “In the glossary found on the optical disc, it talks about this—”
Sarah: “Just so you know I did read the section of the glossary you gave me, but only once, and
it didn’t stick with me too well. Can you explain it again, please?”

Dr. Neruda: “The Grand Portal, according to the WingMakers, is the indisputable, scientific
discovery of the human soul.”

Sarah: “Sort of like LERM isn’t it?”

Dr. Neruda: “Similar, but LERM is more the demonstration that the unification force exists and
interpenetrates all dimensions of existence. It is the proof of spirit, if you will. The human soul
remains elusive to our technology.”

Sarah “But you’re not saying that soul and spirit are different are you because I was always
taught that soul and spirit are essentially one and the same thing.”

Dr. Neruda: “Soul, or what the WingMakers refer to as the Wholeness Navigator, is the replica of
First Source (God), only compartmentalized into a singular, immortal, and wholly individualized
personality. Spirit is more of the connecting force that unifies the individual soul with First
Source and all other souls.”

Sarah: “I’m not sure I followed that description, but it may be that my mind is saturated right
now and nothing you said would get through my thick skull.

“Anyway, what will be gained by having this discovery… the Grand Portal?”

Dr. Neruda: “Everything that keeps us separate – locked in statehood and provincial concerns –
will be obliterated when this undeniable proof is obtained.”

Sarah: “Why would the basic nature of man, which has taken hundreds of thousands of years to
form, suddenly change when science steps forward and announces that it has proven the
existence of soul? It doesn’t seem plausible to me.”

Dr. Neruda: “According to the WingMakers this is the evolutionary path of the human species,
and the discovery of the Grand Portal is the culmination of a global species. It creates the
conditions whereby the things that separate us are stripped away, whether they’re color, race,
form, geography, religion, or anything else. We find ourselves staring into the lens of science
and we see that all humans are composed of the same inner substance – whatever you choose
to call it – and it is this that truly defines us and our capabilities.”

Sarah: “So everything we’ve been talking about tonight… the globalization of humankind
culminates in this discovery? Is that what you’re saying?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes.”

Sarah: “And the Incunabula planners will be there, waiting to guide us. Is that also part of the
plan?”

Dr. Neruda: “I don’t know if there’ll be a role for the Incunabula in this new world. Perhaps,
perhaps not.”

Sarah: “If an individual would experience this Grand Portal and establish for themselves that
they are composed of a soul – an immortal soul – wouldn’t it profoundly change the way in
which they live? I mean I’m just starting to think of the ramifications, and they’re kind of scary.
“For example, what if someone saw that they don’t really die. Wouldn’t that change their
attitude towards death in such a way that they no longer fear it? Perhaps people would become
more reckless and daring, more dangerous.”

Dr. Neruda: “Some may. There will undoubtedly be many different reactions, and I don’t pretend
to know how it will all be managed.”

Sarah: “Another thing I find interesting in this whole thing is the role of science verses religion.
It seems that religion has tried its best to define soul and failed. Whatever its definitions, they
seem to be based entirely on faith, and there’s no real consistency in the model. This Grand
Portal is a scientific discovery, not a religious one. Correct?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes.”

Sarah: “So science will get a try. What if they fail as well? Maybe there’s something so elusive,
so hidden in all of this that science does no better. I mean I know some people who can be
shown something and they will deny it with all their strength. How do you convince someone
who doesn’t want to see it?”

Dr. Neruda: “You can think of the Grand Portal as the interface for the consciousness of vertical
time. This interface will be discovered sometime in the 21st century. I don’t know all the details.
I don’t know how it will impact on the individual. You may be right; some will accept it and some
will not. I only know it is part of the destiny that humankind is led to achieve.”

Sarah: “According to the WingMakers?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes.”

Sarah: “Did you know about this prior to reading the glossary?”

Dr. Neruda: “Do you mean did I know about the existence of the Grand Portal?”

Sarah: “Yes, that, or simply the technology to prove the existence of the human soul. Was it
being planned or worked on by the ACIO?”

Dr. Neruda: “No.”

Sarah: “Are there any other organizations working on this proof – even now?”

Dr. Neruda: “Not that I know of.”

Sarah: “If no one’s trying to discover this Grand Portal, who will?”

Dr. Neruda: “That’s why I want to get these materials out. The WingMakers’ materials are
designed to activate those souls that are incarnating who will play active roles in the discovery
and creation of the Grand Portal—”

Sarah: “Are you saying that souls are incarnating specifically for this purpose?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes. There are very advanced souls who are incarnating in the next three
generations who will design, develop, and employ the Grand Portal. This is the central purpose
of the WingMakers’ materials stored within these seven sites.”

Sarah: “I thought you said they were a defensive weapon?”

Dr. Neruda: “That’s one role, but there is another as well. And I believe it has to do with the
artistic elements. They are encoded. They are catalysts of consciousness. I’m convinced of this
based on my own experience.”

Sarah: “I’ve read many of these writings, and listened to the music. I like it, but it hasn’t
catalyzed anything in me. I certainly don’t feel like I want to help design or build the Grand
Portal, not that I have the mental capacity to contribute anything of value.”

Dr. Neruda: “Perhaps your role is different.”

Sarah: “Or I have no role at all. Maybe you have to have the qualities inside you before the
materials can activate anything. And in my case, I have this feeling that there’s nothing there to
awaken.

“Well, as much as I’m tempted to dive into more information about this Grand Portal, I think my
mind has reached its full ration for the night. Let’s plan to talk more about the Grand Portal in
our next interview. Okay?”

Dr. Neruda: “That’s fine with me.”

Sarah: “Anything you want to say before we sign off?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes.

“If you, the reader, wonder how the information I’ve presented about the Incunabula relates to
all of the various conspiracy theories about the New World Order, intelligence community,
Illuminati, Freemasonry, and all the other supposed clandestine organizations of the world, I
would respectfully ask you to suspend your prior notions about the motivations of these various
groups.

“These are not evil-minded organizations regardless of how some portray them. Their members
have children and families just like you, and they take pleasure and disgust in the very same
things as you do. They are humans with all the same weaknesses for vice and greed, but they
also have a strong energy to improve the world, it is simply that their definition of what a better
world is may differ from yours.

“If your interest is to conjure an antagonist for your amusement, that’s your prerogative. But
the issues I’ve related tonight are too serious to be amusing. They are deserving of your
attention and discernment. Do your own investigation into the energy supplies of our world. You
may come up with different numbers than what I mentioned, but only because the technology of
the ACIO is more advanced than the petroleum industry. Nonetheless, you’ll see confirmation of
this general condition.

“Look at the current events of your time whenever you read this interview. You’ll see how this
plan is progressing. It may seem to take detours, but the general course is what I’ve described.
It is moving in this direction not out of accident or because of the whims of the world’s leaders,
you can be sure. It is all part of the orchestration of events that are played out according to the
well-designed blueprints of the Incunabula planners.

“You may feel a certain anguish that you’re being led to a future not of your choosing, but if you
want to have influence, then you need to be educated and aware of the real forces that are
defining your future. This is a free-will universe. There is no hierarchy of angelic beings guiding
the destiny of earth. There is no ascended master who dictates the pathway to enlightenment
for humanity or the individual.
“If you truly want to express and apply your freewill, make it a personal religion to know the
facts. Learn how to look behind the stories that are being sold by the media and politicians, and
form your own conclusions. Keep your doubt intact about everything you’re told from the
political stage, especially when you’re induced to be patriotic. It is one of the clearest signals to
be suspicious of what you’re being told.

“When enemies are created – especially new ones, be wary of the motivations of those who
claim them to be enemies. Investigate the facts. Look under all the rocks and verify your
evidence. Each of you must become investigators and learn the art of research and analytical
study if you want to feel more a part of the movement to globalization.

“Your insights and understandings may not change humanity’s course one millimeter, but it will
change your ability to feel a part of this migration and have a sense of where humanity is
moving and why.

“And to those who prefer to strike out on their own path and believe that globalism is pure folly,
I can only explain to you that it must happen. It is the outward expression of who we are and it
is the natural progression of our species to unify around the inner essence of our identity,
instead of the outer façade of our particular nation or religious belief.

“I believe everyone understands this to varying degrees, but it is the methods of this unification
that concern people. And I share this concern. If we’re collectively informed about the plan and
understand the end-goal is something that holds a great promise for humanity, we can pursue
this goal with greater velocity and with added confidence that the methods will be in everyone’s
best interest. This must be our goal.

“And finally, many of you may feel that globalization is a concept of the New World Order and
therefore dismiss it as a movement borne out of greed and the lust for power. Yes, there are
always those who will take advantage of this movement to achieve personal gain, but the reason
to become a unified people on this earth is far greater than the personal gains of a few.
Remember this as you read your conspiracy stories.

“I’m finished, Sarah. Thank you for your indulgence.”

Sarah: “Thank you for your comments.”

End of Session